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AZEqualizer
02-02-2009, 10:50 AM
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/The-New-%27Black%27.jpg

California is in the process of requiring a change in the chemical makeup of paints applied to vehicles sold in the state. Because the global automotive market is served by only a handful of paint companies, the change will likely effect cars and trucks sold worldwide. Above, standard black paint (left) and a major paint company's current effort at a heat-reflecting black that's much closer to brown.

Edmunds GreenCarAdvisor (http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2009/02/a-change-in-paint-might-be-the-next-big-thing-in-the-greening-of-cars-and-trucks.html) reports that:

The California Air Resources Board is so keen on getting automakers to use less carbon black in the paints they spray their cars with that the agency is in the process of drafting "cool-paints" legislation that would require the carmakers to do so.

As currently drafted, the proposal would apply to makers of 2012 and subsequent model-year passenger cars, light-duty trucks, and medium-duty vehicles weighing less than or equal to 10,000 pounds.
It would also apply to collision-repair shops and repainting facilities.
But there's a hitch: The three biggest suppliers of automotive paint worldwide haven't yet figured out how to make the rich blacks, browns and other dark automotive paints we're accustomed to seeing without using carbon black.

"When you remove carbon black and put in either IR-reflecting pigments or IR-transmissive pigments, you lose some of the dark color," Connie Poulsen, global director of product management for PPG Industries...

There are two different ways to meet the legislation, Poulsen said: IR-transmissive or IR-reflective paints.
IR-transmissive paints contain a transparent pigment that allows the hot infrared and near-infrared light to get through to the primer layer. They are then reflected off the primer layer.
In this case, a very light-colored primer goes underneath the base coat. This technology allows the paint companies to get a closer match to the rich automotive colors we're used to seeing.

But - and this is a big but - having a light-colored primer layer means that when your car is stone-chipped or badly dinged, a light-colored spot of primer will appear where the base coat had been. The chip will be rather apparent. Traditionally, primer is close in color to the base coat so chips aren't very noticeable.

The other way paint companies are approaching the subject is with IR-reflective pigments, in which an infrared-reflecting pigment is used in the base coat. The problem with this technology, as you saw above, is that the paint companies thus far have been unable to achieve the true colors they've wanted in what they refer to fondly as "the darker space."

AZEqualizer
03-25-2009, 01:13 PM
This article on Autobloggreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/):

California legislation may soon restrict the color options for your next car. The specific colors that are currently on the chopping block are all dark hues, with the worst offender seemingly the most innocuous color you could think of: black. What resentment could California possibly harbor against black cars, you ask? Apparently, the Air Resources Board figures that the climate control systems of dark colored cars need to work harder than their lighter siblings, especially after sitting in the sun for a few hours. Anyone living in a hot, sunny climate will tell you that this assumption is accurate

Here is a link to the PDF file (http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/final_cool_cars_workshop_presentation31209.pdf)fro m teh CA Air Resources Board - CARB's complete Cool Cars Standards and Test Proceduresfrom March 12, 2009

rogwild
03-25-2009, 01:43 PM
What the 'heck' is happening in the 'Land of the FREE'. I think California should secede from the USA or be 'kicked' out. What next?......what color clothes you can wear on which days?:confused:r:a:n:t:2:101

waltbscott
03-25-2009, 02:02 PM
This right here is the reason that other manufacturers (Aptera, Fisker) are putting solar panels on their vehicle tops.

http://www.asola-power.com/output/en/produkte_usp.htm

The company that's making the drive system for Fisker also owns a pc of this panel maker (above link)...


This article on Autobloggreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/):

California legislation may soon restrict the color options for your next car. The specific colors that are currently on the chopping block are all dark hues, with the worst offender seemingly the most innocuous color you could think of: black. What resentment could California possibly harbor against black cars, you ask? Apparently, the Air Resources Board figures that the climate control systems of dark colored cars need to work harder than their lighter siblings, especially after sitting in the sun for a few hours. Anyone living in a hot, sunny climate will tell you that this assumption is accurate

Here is a link to the PDF file (http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/final_cool_cars_workshop_presentation31209.pdf)fro m teh CA Air Resources Board - CARB's complete Cool Cars Standards and Test Proceduresfrom March 12, 2009

Derwin
03-25-2009, 04:18 PM
What the 'heck' is happening in the 'Land of the FREE'. I think California should secede from the USA or be 'kicked' out. What next?......what color clothes you can wear on which days?:confused:r:a:n:t:2:101


Amen, Roger!

I have many friends in California, but I'll tell you what.... I would NEVER live in that state. It seems the political atmosphere on the "left coast" is way too out of wack with mainstream America, expecially on these kinds of issues. (that's my opinion, anyway!)

Derwin

Jack Willard
03-25-2009, 04:25 PM
Amen, Roger!

I have many friends in California, but I'll tell you what.... I would NEVER live in that state. It seems the political atmosphere on the "left coast" is way too out of wack with mainstream America, expecially on these kinds of issues. (that's my opinion, anyway!)

Derwin

Well, on the other hand, WE in California believe that WE lead the way, and mainstream America follows a bit later. IMHO :mad:science::IDEA:

Well, okay, not on everything. Just the important stuff.

Derwin
03-25-2009, 09:09 PM
Well, on the other hand, WE in California believe that WE lead the way, and mainstream America follows a bit later. IMHO :mad:science::IDEA:

Well, okay, not on everything. Just the important stuff.


o:o:p:s12 Sorry about that! I should have known that what I posted would offend people in California, and I really and truly did not mean to do that.

Yes, California has indeed led the way on many issues important to our country, but I think many of the issues that they have "led the way" on, have been out of the mainstream. That is really what I was trying to say.

Anyway, I LOVE living in the "bread-basket" and "heartland" of America, and I wouldn't leave this area for anything.

But, hey, if you are happy with where you live, thats all that counts! And, seriously, I don't mean to offend, and I'm sorry if I did.

I have to learn to keep my mouth shut! :shup:

Derwin

ziggy951
03-25-2009, 11:56 PM
Well, on the other hand, WE in California believe that WE lead the way, and mainstream America follows a bit later. IMHO :mad:science::IDEA:

Well, okay, not on everything. Just the important stuff.




Funniest thing Ive read this month! Thanks for that :)



Z

Miracleman89
03-26-2009, 03:15 AM
Well, I live in AZ so in my opinion I would never own a black car because I don't want to burn to death! On the other hand, California needs to leave the color decisions to crayola and dupont!!! At some point we have to draw a line between neccesity and ridiculousness! I seriously doubt, by painting a car black is causing our global environmental issues! I am all for effectively solving our environmental issues like global warming and aerosol pollutents, but some of this stuff just goes a bit over-board. I like black cars! They look sharp and if I lived somewhere with colder climates I would probably buy one. So I think they should leave black alone! Besides, I don't know anyone that wants to drive a turd colored car! :)

esoneson
03-26-2009, 03:52 PM
And what is that legislation going to do to all the folks who own those cars that live in areas where it is rather cold? California legislators are the product of too much weed, too much time and too little control. If they want to get out of the dark ages, then READING might help.........idiots the bunch of them. And I live there so I can say it without reservation.

waltbscott
03-26-2009, 04:50 PM
the text itself, and not anyone's version...

http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/cool-paints.htm