GM is up against the wall...

[waltbscott]

They have 59 days to go from what they are now to a government satisfying version of "viable". IF they can get "viable" they get $17B. About the only way I can think of that they could even THINK of getting "viable" is to buy "viablilty". The one thing that Persu's info blackout gives them is options, including the option of selling to someone like GM.
1: Would they?
2: Is that bad?

[JoeU]

GM is not a motorcycle company or have any experience in this area. GM is a dinosaur, I know we own stock in it and have never seen any inovation to their product. I could never see that happening. Even the Volt is a me too!

[waltbscott]

Agreed, but faced with extinction anything is possible. These are no wherre near normal times. How many readers here ever thought they'd see the day when GM might cease to be? It is extraordinary...

[Miracleman89]

In my opinion, it is long over due!!!I never cared for GM. Their products were all tired versions of other vehicles! Best example is that HHR, "Can you say rip off?" Looks like a boxier extended PT Cruiser. Every GM car out there is their version of something else! But even looking at the bigger picture, I haven't seen any real innovation come from the big three in a very long time. All three brands are just tired old ideas redone. The sad part is that every year they all would come out with some really cool looking concepts, none of which would ever see the show room floor. Those concepts would draw people in, get them excited and yet we would be left with an overall feeling of disappointment knowing that our dream vehicle would never see the light of day. Even when they did decide to send it to production, it would come out altered so much that it didn't look anything like the one you fell in love with at the auto show and once again you were left feeling disappointed! After 20 or 30 years of nothing but disappointment, it is amazing they even exist at all!!!! We have always been left with watered down versions of edgier designs. No one was willing to take a chance on anything edgy. To give an example, I remember seeing several concepts put out by Chrysler's Jeep brand that I was dying to get ahold of, and they never made it further then traveling the auto show circuit. Yet when ever I mentioned them to people I would hear the same response, " Yeah, that was bad #@*!!! What ever happened to it?" Anyone remember the Jeepster, or the Hurricane, or the jeep truck golieth, I believe it was called??? But it wasn't just the American Auto makers either, look at VW and the GX3 mule! Or for that matter Peugot and the 20 cup! The ideas were there they were just afraid of taking a chance and now look where they are! Now they only want to tke small chances. Well as the old saying goes, " Too little, Too Late!"

[Derwin]

I agree with "most" of what your saying, mm89, but there was a few nice vehicles that came out over the past few years. How about the Hummer? I know most of you would not like that vehicle, but it was unique. Then we had the Plymouth Prowler..... An absolutely unique vehicle, and one that I almost purchased! There was also the Honda Element. I did buy that vehicle back in 2004, and it was incredibly innovative in it's design. I loved it!

But, sadly, you are correct. 99.9% of all vehicles that they produce, end up being warmed-over versions of past designs, and that is a shame. Hopefully, with the sky falling all around them, they (or other companies) will finally take the lead and produce some REALLY innovative products very soon. At least we can hope.

Derwin

[waltbscott]

I hear you very loud and clear, MM. I have thought that they've treated their customers more like 'marks' than with anything like respect. And I think those chickens have come home to roost.
And it's an American Tragedy for what it will do to thousands upon thousands of working people. Not just autoworkers, but vendors and suppliers. Too big to fail? Too late! It already happened. They failed when they didn't pursue the EV-1 10 years ago. (Imagine what they'd have learned by now). Even the Volt changed from cool to something less...

But those knuckleheads still swing a huge bat. And even in defeat, everyone still kowtows to them, vendors and gov't types alike.

Ah hell, I'm just trying to bait a Persu guy into responding...

I truly hope Persu stays away from them. Small and lean and 'un-F'ed with'. Thanks for the rant, Derwin!

[Miracleman89]

Yeah Derwin, I did like the Prowler but even as outrageous as it was it was still brought down a notch or two from the concept edition! Mostly, on the interior but still. As for the Hummer That thing has been around a long time it's just that they finally decided to produce them for regular people and not just the military. To make matters worse they commercialized the heck out of it and by doing so took out some of the cool thing real military hummers can do. The military version of the Hummer was tough as hell. The H1/H2/H3 would fall apart if it hit anything head on, where the Military version would keep going. That is why I hate the hummers, not because they are gas guzzling drains on the global economy not to mention horrible on the environment, but because they have been turned into the vehicle of choice for soccer moms everywhere! The Real Hummers came with there very own set of testicles you could hang from your rear view mirror, now they come with a purse!

[Derwin]

The military version of the Hummer was tough as hell. The H1/H2/H3 would fall apart if it hit anything head on, where the Military version would keep going. That is why I hate the hummers, not because they are gas guzzling drains on the global economy not to mention horrible on the environment, but because they have been turned into the vehicle of choice for soccer moms everywhere! The Real Hummers came with there very own set of testicles you could hang from your rear view mirror, now they come with a purse!

LOL! Well, I don't think we need a "military" vehicle to ride around in our neighborhood! I don't mind them "taking it down a few notches" from the military version. But I would agree with you on the H3. They took the hummer, and really stripped it down to nothing more than a glorified SUV, and not too "glorified" in my opinion. I think they created it so that it would be in the price range of more people at $34,000. But the H2 and H2 SUT are INCREDIBLE vehicles! I actually wouldn't mind owning the SUT version, but it's out of my price range at $64,000. Heck, I would buy one in a heartbeat if the price were about 1/3rd of that, and, NO, I don't think it comes with a purse!

Derwin

[AZEqualizer]

I don't know about having a military vehicle but I would certainly like to have a Dillon Minigun, with tracers of course... is that mounted on a GM Vehicle??!?>?

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[MVRacing]

While I agree that the demise of GM is overdue...What I worry about most is the effect it will have on the economy - not just jobs/suppliers ect., but the effect it will have on the bond market where a large percentage of my money is positioned now :-(

[ziggy951]

I agree with "most" of what your saying, mm89, but there was a few nice vehicles that came out over the past few years. How about the Hummer? I know most of you would not like that vehicle, but it was unique. Then we had the Plymouth Prowler..... An absolutely unique vehicle, and one that I almost purchased! There was also the Honda Element. I did buy that vehicle back in 2004, and it was incredibly innovative in it's design. I loved it!

But, sadly, you are correct. 99.9% of all vehicles that they produce, end up being warmed-over versions of past designs, and that is a shame. Hopefully, with the sky falling all around them, they (or other companies) will finally take the lead and produce some REALLY innovative products very soon. At least we can hope.

Derwin

The Hummer was never designed or built by GM. Only marketed by them. Hell They didn't even make the first street legal version of the original Hummer, Arnold Schwartzeneger did.


Z

[ziggy951]

The problem with viability is how that is interpreted by the current administration. First off, GM will be forced to build a vehicle that Obama and his administration want. Not necessarily what consumers want. This is taken with the context of his last speech. Listen to it, read it and some to your own conclusion. Second, GM will be forced into some sort of agreement/buyout/sale with Fiat. This is not some rant, this is what has been released by the White House in the past week.

Realistically GM just hasnt had a clue for the past 20 years or so, 15 at the least. I think we all realize this. Let them fail, then let the competition come in and buy up production on the cheap and the whole industry will become better. Its not like that large void in production wont get filled by another company. My guess is that the quicker they fail, the quicker their workers can get back to work for another company filling the demand void.




Z

[Derwin]

The Hummer was never designed or built by GM. Only marketed by them. Hell They didn't even make the first street legal version of the original Hummer, Arnold Schwartzeneger did.


Z


Ziggy, Who stated that the Hummer was designed or built by GM? I sure didn't. Actually, I really don't know who originally designed that thing. But I was simply responding to what MM89 was saying about the "big three" and most manufacturers.

By the way, Arnold is my hero, and he owns a Hummer. Maybe that's why I like them so much!

By the way, I agree with you about "letting them fail". After all, when they are selling cars like crazy and making profits up the ying-yang, I don't see them sending a check to us sharing those profits! Why should we be bailing them out? BUT, if we DO bail them out, then I think Obama and the US government has every right to tell them what to do, and what to pay management. That is the price they should pay for taking the bailout money. If they pay all the money back, then they can go back to doing things the way they always have. And I'm saying this as a conservative republican (I only mention party affiliation to point out my political leanings...nothing else).

Derwin

[ziggy951]

Agreed. All but the Arnold Hero thing. I cant support someone that bankrupts a state.


Z

[Derwin]

Well, the state was bankrupt long before Arnold got there. And the fact that pretty much every state is in fiscal crises shows that this is not one governors fault.... it is a national problem.

I would agree with you on Arnold to a certain extent... he bends to the left way too much, and does not govern the state as a conservative. But that state has had problems for many years, and it sure didn't begin when Arnold took office.

By the way, Arnold being a hero of mine has absolutely nothing to do with his political leanings, or his accomplishments (or lack thereof) in the political realm. I have followed his life over the past 30 years, and I just find it a classic American story of an immigrant making good. It's truly inspirational. I feel the same way about the Obama story. Both are simply incredible and uplifting. And I say that with all politics being put aside.

Derwin

[Miracleman89]

The problem with viability is how that is interpreted by the current administration. First off, GM will be forced to build a vehicle that Obama and his administration want. Not necessarily what consumers want. This is taken with the context of his last speech. Listen to it, read it and some to your own conclusion. Second, GM will be forced into some sort of agreement/buyout/sale with Fiat. This is not some rant, this is what has been released by the White House in the past week.

Realistically GM just hasnt had a clue for the past 20 years or so, 15 at the least. I think we all realize this. Let them fail, then let the competition come in and buy up production on the cheap and the whole industry will become better. Its not like that large void in production wont get filled by another company. My guess is that the quicker they fail, the quicker their workers can get back to work for another company filling the demand void.




Z


Hey Ziggy, As much as I hate to agree with a "conservative republican" j:o"k'e)thu:mbs:up:22che:ers:1 I have to agree with Derwin. I mean look at it this way if you pay over 80% of a companies operating costs, you would want to have a say in what that company did! I think if they accept the bailout then by all means, we as tax payers should have a say in what they do and since Barack Obama is an elected representative of the American tax payer then yeah, Fire who needs to be fired, set pay scales and make what he says to make!

[waltbscott]

Regarding our Governor; He is a Republican that uses compromise as a tool. Like the Don Rickles character in a film we've referred to before - may you can "do a deal" with him. ( no pun intended that the "republican" in "Kelley's Heroes" was also a nazi tank driver).
Back to GM; I think they will be liquidated, or maybe 'parted out' - each 'division becoming it's own company again...
by the way, have y'all seen this? http://revengeoftheelectriccar.com/faq/

poetic, ya?

[ziggy951]

Hey Ziggy, As much as I hate to agree with a "conservative republican" j:o"k'e)thu:mbs:up:22che:ers:1 I have to agree with Derwin. I mean look at it this way if you pay over 80% of a companies operating costs, you would want to have a say in what that company did! I think if they accept the bailout then by all means, we as tax payers should have a say in what they do and since Barack Obama is an elected representative of the American tax payer then yeah, Fire who needs to be fired, set pay scales and make what he says to make!


I agreed too!

No good can come from the government owning any corporation..unless its a front for the CIA :)

The problem is that Obama is NOT a CEO and hasn't a clue how to run a for profit automobile manufacturing company. Not that the former CEOs of GM have done very well. I just dont think that a President of a nation, regardless of how much money it has dumped into a company should start making business policies that match their political agenda. For those that have read history you know what thats called, regardless of the circumstances. The US govt, and by necessity the Obama administration, should have just let the company fail/file for bankruptcy. The govt hasnt got a clue how to turn itself around, how the hell do they think they can do it with a company that is about 1/10 its size?

Does Obama have the right to make decisions with GM? YES, because he wrote a check to cover their expenses.

Should someone outside of a company make the internal decisions of a company? NO. It makes no sense.


So I think we all agree. The current government doesn't seem to agree with the Capitalist system that we do....That was borderline so I think Ill stay with generalizations from here on out :) And I am not putting this on the shoulders of Obama or the Democrats. When I was 18 I became a Democrat...by 22 I was a Republican...I find myself becoming closer aligned to the Libertarian/Constitutionalist party as far as political voting goes. I feel betrayed by both parties that have the most power currently. Neither party represents US citizens above their own agendas.

This morning, in Colorado, the State Senate passed a bill that allows foreign students to pay "in state" tuition WITHOUT adding a provision for allowing out of state students to pay the same. Not only does this walk Colorado into a Federal lawsuit but it also puts non US citizens rights ABOVE US citizens rights. If that doesnt open people's eyes I dont know what will.




Z

[waltbscott]

"No good can come from the government owning any corporation..unless its a front for the CIA "

Remember - the gov't didn't go to GM, GM went to the gov't

[ziggy951]

"No good can come from the government owning any corporation..unless its a front for the CIA "

Remember - the gov't didn't go to GM, GM went to the gov't


Yes..and?

That alone should show people the people managing GM havent got a clue lol.


Z

[Derwin]

The problem is that Obama is NOT a CEO and hasn't a clue how to run a for profit automobile manufacturing company.

I agree with that 100%. But I don't think Obama will be "personally" running anything. I'm pretty sure he'll put qualified people in position to run the company.


The US govt, and by necessity the Obama administration, should have just let the company fail/file for bankruptcy. The govt hasnt got a clue how to turn itself around...

Amen to that!



The current government doesn't seem to agree with the Capitalist system that we do....

The fact that Bush is the one that got us started down the "bail-out" road is something that really bothers me as a conservative republican. Now the fact that Obama is taking it to the next level does not surprise me.


I feel betrayed by both parties...

I share your sentiments.


Hopefully we will get out of this mess soon, and the auto companies will begin to "see the light", and start making vehicles that the people really want. Personally, I'm hoping that one (or all) of the big 3 will design, develop, and market a vehicle similar to the Persu Hybrid. And don't laugh, it could happen.

Derwin

[waltbscott]

Personally, I'm hoping that one (or all) of the big 3 will design, develop, and market a vehicle similar to the Persu Hybrid. And don't laugh, it could happen.

Derwin

or they could buy their way in, which brings us back to the beginning of this thread...

there could not be a better time to start a new vehicle company. Not only are people ready to accept a new way of getting around, they don't trust the old companies that make vehicles.
I know people who don't believe the Volt will actually happen. They believe that it's a GM head-fake designed to pull money from the Feds, and that after they get paid it'll be business as usual (with a good laugh in the boardroom about how they made out).
And I believe that it is an amazingly good time for someone priced below the avarage annual income of middle class Americans. I haven't seen anything else out there that can be bought for under $30k.
Electrics and PHEV's needed a crisis, so they could have the opportunity.

So, who thinks GM has the inclination to buy Persu, and would that be good?

[Derwin]

So, who thinks GM has the inclination to buy Persu, and would that be good?


Personally, I don't think they have the inclination to buy Persu out. But if they did, I really think it would be a GOOD thing. I'm not too big on conspiracy theories, so I don't think they would buy them for the sole purpose of "killing" the idea. I think if they did buy Persu out, or even RM, then they would launch the vehicle into the marketplace, and make a heck of a profit doing it.

Say what you want about the "big 3", but they do have the means to get things to market in a "big" way. They have the connections, and they have the media framework to make this work.

But, after saying that, I must admit that I don't see it happening. I think the only way this vehicle gets to market is if Persu Mobility gets it there.

What do the rest of you think?

Derwin

[3dO]

I would prefer to see Persu get to market on their own rather than being bought out. If any of the Big-3 were to buy them I hope it would be Ford. At least they are not asking for bail-out money.

[RAN]

The US govt, and by necessity the Obama administration, should have just let the company fail/file for bankruptcy. The govt hasnt got a clue how to turn itself around, how the hell do they think they can do it with a company that is about 1/10 its size?

Absolutely. Well said.


...I find myself becoming closer aligned to the Libertarian/Constitutionalist party as far as political voting goes. I feel betrayed by both parties that have the most power currently. Neither party represents US citizens above their own agendas.

You should feel betrayed. Every Democrat and Republican should. Libertarians have to snicker when they hear you guys argue back and forth. It's like listening to wrestling fans argue about who's going to win the big fixed match, or whether Ford or Chevy trucks are better. We're just waiting for the rest of you to wake the frig up so we can actually get this government back under control. How long, oh Lord, how long?


Meanwhile, in true government fashion, they have wasted millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to keep the dinosaur's head above the tarpit for a few extra weeks, and then they'll let GM go under. My question is, how far up their own butts are our politicians' heads anyway???? GM is incapable of steering itself away from the iceberg. They steered themselves right at it until they were too close to change course. What fool thinks that throwing money at them is going to change anything at this late date?

What has Tesla come up with in the last 2 years? The Model S sedan. What has GM come up with? The Volt. Put a fork in 'em. They're done. Out of the ashes will rise one or several companies that are actually prepared to deal with the future in a necessary and mutually beneficial way. Maybe then, Aptera, Tesla, and other companies with their eye on the future can actually get a break.

I will volunteer to be the one to do it. Gimme the fork! In fact, gimme several forks. I have a feeling we'll need to put one in Persu soon too.

[ziggy951]

How about a pitch fork? I'll join ya.



Z

[eskeptic]

I think the only way this vehicle gets to market is if Persu Mobility gets it there.
I don't have any faith in Persu getting this vehicle to market.

I mean, Persu told you that they were entering in the X-Prize, even though their projected performance is only about 50 mpge.

Anyone who did any research on what qualifies for the X-Prize would have known that the Persu Hybrid does not/will not/can not qualify.

That means that they either lied to you, or they never even bothered to check on what exactly it would take to qualify for the X-Prize.

Neither of those are acceptable in my book.

I mean, our only two options are A) Persu has no problem lying to us, or B) Persu doesn't do any research before they make claims as to what they can do.

[Derwin]

I will volunteer to be the one to do it. Gimme the fork! In fact, gimme several forks. I have a feeling we'll need to put one in Persu soon too.


Well, I don't think it's time yet to start pulling out our pitchforks, but I can say that I am getting a bit upset myself over the lack of information.

I emailed Phil Oseas a couple days ago, and I haven't even received the courtesy of a response. I don't know what's going on, but I hope they get their act together, and begin to communicate with those that are their most loyal supporters.

I'll stop now before I begin violating my own club rules! :shup:

Derwin

[Derwin]

I mean, our only two options are A) Persu has no problem lying to us, or B) Persu doesn't do any research before they make claims as to what they can do.

I'm sorry, but there is another obvious option....they produce a vehicle that meets the requirements. Don't be so quick to slam a company when you really don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

Is there reason to be concerned? Yep. And my main reason has absolutely nothing to do with some specs they have listed on their website (since they can and will change). My concern is that they have remained in radio silence way too long. There could be very legitimate reasons for this silence, but they should at least have the courtesy to give us a "shout out" every now and then.

By the way, eskeptic, you are really living up to your name! You've made 7 posts since becoming a member, and not even ONE post had anything GOOD to say about Persu. You do understand that this is a Persu Hybrid enthusiasts club, right? Although, in recent months, it getting more and more difficult to be "enthusiastic" about anything coming out of Persu....since nothing is!

Derwin

[eskeptic]

I'm sorry, but there is another obvious option....they produce a vehicle that meets the requirements. Don't be so quick to slam a company when you really don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

The reverse is also true. Don't be so quick to defend a company when you really don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

That is not obvious, and is not an option. Their current projections are 50 mpge for the vehicle. The idea that they could possibly be working on something that doubles their best projections isn't worth considering.


Is there reason to be concerned? Yep. And my main reason has absolutely nothing to do with some specs they have listed on their website (since they can and will change). My concern is that they have remained in radio silence way too long. There could be very legitimate reasons for this silence, but they should at least have the courtesy to give us a "shout out" every now and then.

As I am to understand, that's not unusual.


By the way, eskeptic, you are really living up to your name! You've made 7 posts since becoming a member, and not even ONE post had anything GOOD to say about Persu. You do understand that this is a Persu Hybrid enthusiasts club, right? Although, in recent months, it getting more and more difficult to be "enthusiastic" about anything coming out of Persu....since nothing is!

I apologize. I assumed this was for technology enthusiasts, not company fans. It makes no sense to start a forum dedicated to a company that hasn't produced anything. I don't have anything good to say about persu. There IS nothing good to say about Persu.

I suppose that if saying good things about a company not doing good things is a requirement for this site... it is best if I leave.

[ppi]

Line workers could run Gm better than all those Ceo, building cars that cost more than a house never helped either, and building the same cars with three or four names was Jack@ss! if Tata can build a brand new $2k car then Gm should have had a $5k one in 1987 i purchased a brand new s-10 pickup for $10k other than a heat shield replacement every two years it was a tuff truck now look at what you get way more money and junk!

[Miracleman89]

I will not say one way or the other! I am not going to sit here and tell people that Persu Mobility is doing amazing things behind the scenes, because I truely have no clue! As such, I will not say the opposite either! Right now, I am just skeptically hopeful!!!

[Derwin]

I will not say one way or the other! I am not going to sit here and tell people that Persu Mobility is doing amazing things behind the scenes, because I truely have no clue! As such, I will not say the opposite either! Right now, I am just skeptically hopeful!!!

Amen. That is exactly how I feel at this point in time. To be skeptical at this point is a good thing, but there ARE still GOOD things to say about Persu, even if none of them have to do with any RECENT developments. At a very MINIMUM, you can give them credit and praise the work they have done in DESIGNING the exterior, right? I mean, that is at the very minimum.

Look, you all can probably tell from my recent posts that my "enthusiasm" has dropped considerably for this company. But even with that being the case, this is still "Where Persu Hybrid Enthusiasts Gather".....it says so in the top banner on every page! =y: Now, does that mean that every time a person posts, they have to say "positive" things about Persu? Absolutely not! And I think you can see that I haven't had too many positive things to say in recent days, weeks, and months. But we don't want this turning into a "bash Persu" site either, and there's a fine line between constructive critisism and "bashing".


I apologize. I assumed this was for technology enthusiasts, not company fans.

As for this site being for "technology enthusiasts", it is. You can talk about any and all subjects related to vehicle technology. That's what we're all about. That's why we exist. But, at least for the moment, we are a Persu Hybrid enthusiasts club at the core.


Derwin

[waltbscott]

"skeptically hopeful" It seems weird to me that they refuse to do any type of broadcsst information (like other companies with future product release dates). Yet they waste no time answering a private email. I haven't used the telephone, but from what I've read here, someone always answers the phone. I don't know what to make of that.
But I do know that this product, if properly executed, will fill a need for many people who commute everyday. Why drive around and extra couple of chairs every day?

[rogwild]

By the way, eskeptic, you are really living up to your name! You've made 7 posts since becoming a member, and not even ONE post had anything GOOD to say about Persu. You do understand that this is a Persu Hybrid enthusiasts club, right? Although, in recent months, it getting more and more difficult to be "enthusiastic" about anything coming out of Persu....since nothing is!
Derwin

Derwin; perhaps you could help 'eskeptic' out. Please list ONE thing posted from PERSU (since he joined the Forum) that would cause him (or any rational person) to be 'enthusiastic' about Persu Mobility.:(


I apologize. I assumed this was for technology enthusiasts, not company fans. It makes no sense to start a forum dedicated to a company that hasn't produced anything. I don't have anything good to say about persu. There IS nothing good to say about Persu.

I suppose that if saying good things about a company not doing good things is a requirement for this site... it is best if I leave.

No need to apologize, you are just stating what MANY here are 'thinking'.du:n:n:o( Nice to get a dose of 'reality' every once in a while. 2thumb:up Basically a 'Blackout' since Aug 2008, with no indication from the company that they have made ANY significant progress since they 'scrapped' the old Serial Hybrid concept.:confused:o:h"we"ll1

To me it seems that Persu Mobility has little or NO CNANCE to bring this vehicle to market by themselves, especially if they can't keep their most dedicated 'enthusiasts'; ENTHUSED.:whoohoo:

[Derwin]

Derwin; perhaps you could help 'eskeptic' out. Please list ONE thing posted from PERSU (since he joined the Forum) that would cause him (or any rational person) to be 'enthusiastic' about Persu Mobility.:(

As I already pointed out, there has been absolutely NOTHING in recent months to be "enthusiastic" about. There has been absolutely nothing made public that we can be excited about. Nothing at all. But, again, we don't know everything. It's all speculation at this point. One thing that is NOT speculation, is that all of us "enthusiasts" are getting a bit upset over the radio silence, and that's a shame. It's a shame that they aren't communicating with us at all. But hopefully this will pass soon.

As to your apology, eskeptic, I accept it, and the club accepts it. As I stated earlier, this club is for "Persu Hybrid Enthusiasts", even when there is not much to be enthusiastic about.


I don't have anything good to say about persu. There IS nothing good to say about Persu.

If you truly feel this way in your heart, and you do not like this concept vehicle, then I would suggest you simply stick to discussing other things that you are interested in. There are a heck of a lot of exciting things going on in the tech field to talk about without going negative. Have fun and enjoy yourself discussing these things. But always remember that this is a Persu Hybrid club and website at its core.



To me it seems that Persu Mobility has little or NO CNANCE to bring this vehicle to market by themselves, especially if they can't keep their most dedicated 'enthusiasts'; ENTHUSED.:whoohoo:

If you have any insight into whats going on behind the scenes to substantiate this statement, then please share it with the rest of us! I don't think keeping us "enthused" really has anything to do with whether they will succeed or not. If they are allowing the RIGHT people to have access to what is going on, and they think it is on target, then that's the only thing that is important at the moment.

Anyway, I just made 3 phone calls to 3 separate people at Persu. I called Steve Parry, Scot Keller, and Phil Oseas. None of them answered the phone, but I left a message with one of them.

Am I dissapointed? You bet. But I'm not giving up hope on this company and vehicle just yet.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Anyway, I just made 3 phone calls to 3 separate people at Persu. I called Steve Parry, Scot Keller, and Phil Oseas. None of them answered the phone, but I left a message with one of them.

Am I dissapointed? You bet. But I'm not giving up hope on this company and vehicle just yet.
Derwin
Just ONE more thing to be 'un-enthusiastic' about; nobody HOME answering the phones....(or returning calls/emails).p:ss:dY(( Maybe they are out...getting funding, test driving the prototype, finding a factory location, purchasing vehicle motors and parts,.....'forging ahead, very busy, everythings GREAT'.:burning:rubber:
OR....................:baby:du:n:n:o(

As I guess you have noticed, activity on this 'Enthusiasts Site' has diminished greatly over the last 1/2 year (since the 'Blackout' and lack of published progress). :shup: Many here have been putting off purchasing a new vehicle in the HOPE of the Persu Hybrid. dr:ive1) Some could not wait and have made a purchase already. Luckily, for me, my purchase of an inexpensive 'tilting' scooter sc:oo:t:e:r4will not affect my ability to get a Persu IF/WHEN they are released. But for some, getting an Aptera, Smart, Volt, Tesla S, etc. may preclude the purchase from Persu Mobility.......one less PH customer, and one less enthusiasts on the road 'showing off' this great new concept.
Like I said, I don't see Persu demonstrating the ability to do this task BY THEMSELVES. Just some simple 'communications' cens:or:ed1 would keep their most ardent and loyal followers 'ENTHUSED':whoohoo:

I too, have not yet given up on Persu (otherwise I wouldn't be wasting my time here), but it is getting more dismal with each passing, day, week, month (8 months) without any news of PROGRESS.:mad:

[waltbscott]

maybe this is what's going on with Persu...
(from the Carver website)
http://www.carver-worldwide.com/Dealer_FO/Dealer_Continent.asp?S_ID=56&R_ID=24&ND_ID=16&nc=1

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</OBJECT><SCRIPT event=FSCommand(info,args) for=sIFR_callback_1>sIFR_callback_1_DoFSCommand(info, args);</SCRIPT>You would like to buy a Carver One?

Over the past few years we have been receiving an overwhelmingly positive response from American and Canadian automotive enthusiasts. Obviously, as part of the global roll out of the Carver One, we have been looking into distributing to the North American market as well.
Naturally, the European-specification model will have to be modified to meet national standards. And there is more to that than meets the eye.
We initially appointed a dedicated team for the North American market, responsible for the roll out of a nationwide sales and service network. Meanwhile, it has become clear that additional market analysis and funding are required for the launch to be successful, after which we will resume our active marketing efforts.

A dedicated team has started an in-depth analysis of the requirements to make the vehicle ideally suited to the North American market. One of the most important modifications involves the engine. Further planned enhancements include the addition of air-conditioning.
The retail price for the North American market is yet to be determined.
Regarding the launch of the Carver One in the North American market, we do not expect to be able to launch before (end of) 2009. Any change in timing would be communicated immediately via this website.
More information about our sales and servicing network for the region will be made available later this year. In the meantime, please feel free to contact Carver Headquarters."

[Derwin]

maybe this is what's going on with Persu...
(from the Carver website)
http://www.carver-worldwide.com/Dealer_FO/Dealer_Continent.asp?S_ID=56&R_ID=24&ND_ID=16&nc=1

Nice post, but that's OLD news! They had that posted up on their site for a while now, and we have actually known about their desire to bring the Carver to America for some time. That's why when Ian and Howard first began this project, they purchased rights to the TILTING TECHNOLOGY only for North America, and not the entire Carver designed vehicle.

One thing I think you have to remember is that the Carver is not the Persu Hybrid. They are 2 completely different vehicles, with only the tilting technology in common.

At any rate, I would buy a Carver in a heart beat if it didn't cost $50,000. They would have to get that price down to around $20,00 to $30,000 tops for me to buy one. Do you think that will ever happen with the Carver? I doubt it. But if it does, I'm there!

Derwin

[rogwild]

I agree Derwin, that is the same 'message' they had posted TWO YEARS ago when I heard of the Venture One, and checked the status of the Carver One coming to America.....New engine, air conditioning, market study......NO PROGRESS since.
Until Carver switches to a MASS production (instead of individually hand-built) vehicles, their price will never come down to a level that will make them competitive (except as a novelty vehicle) in the US market. IMO.
Ian's idea of producing them via a motorcycle/atv assembly line and keeping the price in the 20-25k range was what made me believe that the Venture One had a chance to 'revolutionize' the small car industry.

[Derwin]

I just got off the phone with Scot Keller, and he said that there is no new news other than they continue working on developing the vehicle.

Persu is not dead. The Persu Hybrid is not dead. The work continues.

Let's hope they can give us some substantial news in the coming months.

Derwin

[willk]

someone ask them to post even one picture. they don't have to reveal any "company secrets," just teaser photos to keep people excited.

[AZEqualizer]

I think this thread has been officially :threadjacked:high-jacked.