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Derwin
04-03-2009, 05:55 PM
I just found this article, and it was pretty interesting. I guess there's an upside to the Detroit Motor companies failing.... It means that companies like PM may have a better chance at getting into the marketplace.

Anyway, here's the article....

10 Cars That Sank Detroit

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The global financial crisis is suffocating the Detroit automakers, but the problems at General Motors (http://autos.yahoo.com/gmc/), Ford (http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/), and Chrysler (http://autos.yahoo.com/chrysler/) have been festering for years—even when the mighty "Big Three" were earning billions. Aging factories, inflexible unions, arrogant executives and shoddy quality have all damaged Detroit. Now, with panicky consumers fleeing showrooms, catastrophe looms:

There will be plenty of business-school case studies analyzing all the automakers' wrong turns. But, as they say in the industry, it all comes down to product. So here are 10 cars that help explain the demise of Detroit: GM and Chrysler need a multibillion-dollar government bailout to survive, and both could be in bankruptcy by summer if they don't meet tough government demands. Ford hasn't asked for a bailout—yet—but it's bleeding cash and racing the clock to turn itself around.

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Ford Pinto. This ill-fated subcompact came to epitomize the arrogance of Big Auto. Ford hurried the Pinto to market in the early 1970s to battle cheap imports like the Volkswagen (http://autos.yahoo.com/volkswagen/) Beetle that were selling for less than $2,000. Initial sales were strong, but quality problems emerged. Then came the infamous safety problems with exploding fuel tanks, which Ford refused to acknowledge. Message: The customer comes last. "The problems for the domestics really started in the '70s when they were offering cars like the Pinto up against higher-tech, better-built Toyota (http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota/) Corollas and Honda (http://autos.yahoo.com/honda/) Civics," says Jack Nerad of Kelley Blue Book.

Chevrolet Cavalier. GM sold millions of Cavaliers in the 1980s—and decided the thrifty car was so successful the company didn't need to update it for more than a decade. To milk the model, GM even added some lipstick and high heels and tried to peddle the upgrade as the Cadillac Cimarron—a legendary flop. Honda and Toyota, meanwhile, were updating their competing models every four or five years, and grabbing market share with each quality improvement. A new Cavalier came out in the mid 1990s—then languished for another decade, while GM put most of its money into big trucks and SUVs. GM has since improved its small cars. "But they have to be miles better than the imports for Americans to forget how bad their small cars used to be," says Jamie Page Deaton of U.S. News's Rankings and Reviews car-ranking site. Even if they are better, many Americans wonder why they should give Detroit a second—or third—chance.

Chevrolet Astro. While Chrysler, Toyota, and Honda were refining their minivans in the 1990s and coming up with innovations like hideaway seats and electric sliding doors, GM was offering an old, truck-based van gussied up with carpeting and cupholders. "It showed GM's repeated failure to market competitive products based on styling and packaging," says Tom Libby of J. D. Power & Associates. The Astro drove like a bread truck, and consumers noticed. It also earned the worst safety ratings in its class. Before long, GM was effectively out of the minivan segment. No biggie—those were just mainstream American families the automaker decided to ignore.

Ford Taurus. Try to explain this logic: After its 1986 debut, the Taurus became a perennial bestseller. So for the next 20 years, Ford let quality decline and neglected the family sedan, while pouring love and money into trucks (http://autos.yahoo.com/trucks/) and SUVs (http://autos.yahoo.com/suvs/). By early this decade, the Taurus had become a dowdy, rental-lot staple. So Ford simply retired the Taurus in 2006 and replaced it with the 500 sedan—which went on to set records as one of the most short-lived models ever. A year later, Ford revived the Taurus name and applied it to a bastardized 500. But by then, the damage was done.

Ford Explorer. This breakout vehicle helped launch SUVs and drove record profits at Ford in the 1990s, as Americans flocked to big utilities that could take them off-road if they ever got adventurous. It also blinded Ford to the future. "Executives could not see beyond the green piling up at their feet," says David Magee, author of How Toyota Became No. 1. "The Explorer helped create an addiction that lasted 15 years." GM and Chrysler followed right behind, with SUVs like the Chevy Trailblazer and the Dodge Durango—lockstep moves that reveal how the Detroit automakers focused on each other rather than the broader marketplace.

Jaguar X-Type. Ford bought the British luxury brand Jaguar (http://autos.yahoo.com/jaguar/) in 1990, when all three Detroit automakers were seeking ways to expand their global reach. Eventually, Ford decided to build an entry-level Jaguar starting at around $30,000 for people looking to move up from, say, a Mercury Marquis. The down-market move "represented everything that Jaguar is not," says Libby of J. D. Power. The X-Type was built on an ordinary sedan platform from elsewhere in Ford's lineup, and the front-wheel-drive system underwhelmed enthusiasts used to rear-drive European makes. Jag purists were horrified, and aspiring luxury buyers shunned the X-Type in favor of BMW (http://autos.yahoo.com/bmw/)s, Lexuses (http://autos.yahoo.com/lexus/), and Acuras (http://autos.yahoo.com/acura/). After fumbling the luxury brand for nearly two decades, Ford sold Jaguar to an Indian conglomerate in 2008.

Hummer H2. It sure seemed cool back in 2003, when gas was less than $2 per gallon. And it sure seems gaudy now. This supersized SUV clearly had a heyday, but it also helped paint parent company GM as an enviro-hostile corporation that sold only gas guzzlers. Sales collapsed as gas prices rose toward $4 a gallon in mid-2008, and GM has been trying to sell the division for six months—with no takers, so far. "GM wanted to make Hummer (http://autos.yahoo.com/hummer/) a signature company brand," says Magee. "Instead, it showed the company was out of touch with the needs of the 21st century."

Toyota Prius. While GM was spending $1 billion to build up the Hummer franchise, Toyota was spending $1 billion to develop a high-mileage hybrid—even though gas prices were still low. After the Prius (http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_toyota_prius/) debuted in the United States in 2000, GM execs seized yet another opportunity to display their intimate knowledge of American consumers, arguing that hybrids didn't make economic sense and that only environmentalists would buy them. Today, Toyota can barely keep up with demand for the Prius, and it has plans to start building them in the United States. GM, meanwhile, is scrambling to rush hybrids and other high-mileage cars into dealerships—far too late.

Chrysler Sebring. Did Chrysler engineers set out to build the world's most boring car? Of course not. Yet Chrysler still produces this blandmobile to keep assembly lines running and maintain a presence, however weak, in the sedan market. In the new Darwinian auto industry, this model seems destined for extinction, since the only way to sell marginal cars is with steep discounts, which money-losing automakers can no longer afford. In fact, if Chrysler ends up being carved into pieces and sold to competitors, as many analysts expect, most of its passenger-car lineup could get the axe, since there's little to distinguish it. Besides—what's a sebring, anyway?

Jeep Compass. Quick, what's the difference between the Jeep Compass (http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_jeep_compass/), the Jeep Liberty (http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_jeep_liberty/), and the Jeep Patriot (http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_jeep_patriot/)? The bosses at Chrysler, which owns Jeep, could explain, but the real answer is that Chrysler has oversaturated its strongest brand lineup in a desperate attempt to boost sales. "The Compass is not needed," says James Bell of Intellichoice.com. "Just the Liberty, please." The Compass has the same mechanical underpinnings as the Dodge Caliber (http://autos.yahoo.com/2009_dodge_caliber/), which helps illustrate one of Detroit's favorite tricks: Create multiple versions of every product under a bunch of different brand names, hoping that if buyers shun one, they'll take a more favorable view of another. Message to Detroit: Consumers aren't that stupid. Give them a bit more credit, and you might have a future.

RAN
04-04-2009, 04:40 PM
It must have been hard to narrow the list down to 10. j:o"k'e)

ziggy951
04-05-2009, 03:39 PM
Indeed. The first that came to mind for me was the Tempo...my goodness what a pos vehicle.


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RAN
04-05-2009, 08:06 PM
my goodness what a pos vehicle.

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beeson
04-05-2009, 11:11 PM
In the 80's I sent my parents to look at a Honda Accord and the dealer steered them into a Cavalier. It's the worst POS that was ever put on the road. I called it the Cadaver. But it was American. Years later they bought a Mercury Sable, just a Taurus with a different sticker. The car had numerous repair issues. The motor had to be replaced and the heater core went TU. I think the 92-94 Taursus had the worst repair record of all time. Just two examples of my reason for not buying american cars.

RAN
04-06-2009, 12:15 AM
One of the worst cars I ever drove was an AMC Pacer. The question isn't what happened to AMC? The question is, how'd they stay in business as long as they did?

I remember the '79 Cutlass my ex-wife bought. It was 3 years old, and by the time it was 5 years old it was falling apart. The only American cars I owned were 2-'65s and 1-'67. I've driven Italian, German and Japanese cars ever since.

waltbscott
04-06-2009, 11:00 AM
if it weren't so bad that folks blocked their memory of it - the Chevy Vega - the nadir of built-in obsolescense

Rpeek2
04-06-2009, 02:14 PM
Back in 1977 I bought into the hype and traded my Gran Fury for a Pinto wagon. Before the A/C froze up it usually flooded the back seat floor well. With only marginally better MPG for alot less power and general road safety, I traded the POS for another Mopar.

Ya know... The Big Three, The Imports, VV/Persu; They all seem to react with promises--some believeable. "Just Wait" "Something New" "Timely Improvement"

Maybe It's impatience that colors my perception of future offerings from any business that sells a vehicle.
Just make the damn things already. History has shown we'll take a chance on just about anything with a wheel. Innovations like quality and reliability may pare the next list down to 9.

I'm still a pessimistic/realist awaiting some good news.

RAN
04-06-2009, 04:23 PM
Just make the damn things already.

Rpeek, I couldn't agree more. How hard is it really to design a BEV? It has thousands of less moving parts than a standard car.

If we were all driving simple BEVs now, and the automakers were trying to build autos with complex ICEs, 7 speed dual-clutch transmissions, etc etc etc, then I could understand it.

Miracleman89
04-07-2009, 02:57 AM
What they could have done different!!

1.) For starters I don't feel the Ford Pinto belongs on this list. Sure it was a crappy car and an all around bad idea, but I would chalk this one up to poor judgement and just a mistake to bring to market. Everybody has a bad day!

2.) Chevy Cavalier- Well, what can you say that hasn't been said already, GM had a good thing going and dropped the ball. This became the big three's MO for the almost the next 30 years. They make a car that was well recieved in general, at least in the beginning, and then do nothing with it to improve the thing! In fact the only thing they managed to do was stand back and watch quality fall through the floor! In my opinion this is the car that started it all! For the record, I owned a brand new Cavalier Z24 for all of 6 months, 4 of which it sat in the shop getting repairs. What is even funnier then that, is my mother had inherited a Cadillac Cimarron from my great aunt. LOL it was a piece of crap!!!!!! It was such a death trap that it took nearly 2 miles to get to 65MPH! It finally died from being pathetic!

3.) Chevy Astro- See above.... Does any of this sound familiar? Once again dropping the ball! Lack of improvements, resulted in lack of enthusiasm! Once again back to their typical MO!

4.) Ford Taurus- Ahhh, Ford doing what it does best, playing "follow the leader"!! Ford had a real hit on it's hands with the Taurus and they decided to take a page from GM, which was to ruin a good thing! Do nothing and save money! Meantime, stand back and watch as the sheep continue to buy. Here is where I really begin to blame us, the consumers!! We accepted things like 2 cubic inch increase in glove box size and a bigger engine option as upgrades!

5.) Ford Explorer- Oh boy now we are getting some where.... the infamous SUV category!!! Sparking a run of bigger is better mentallity, that is still lingering today! All but dead the Gargantuan SUVs Lumber along now like museum relics from the age of "Size = Status" Let's look at this realistically, If you really want to go Off-roading then you don't want Huge! You want rugged, compact, reliable, manuverability and visability! You don't want large and hard to manuver in tight spots!

6.)Jaguar X type- This car is to Jaguar what boxed wine is to chardoney! Wrap a turd in a pretty bow and it is still a turd! The reality of this is Ford, like the rest of the big three, had already began to show just how out of touch with consumers, they really were!

7.) Hummer H2 - See #5!!! I mean do we really need a streched H2 that seats 27?

8.) Toyota Prius - Way to go Toyota good for you guys!!!! But can we please make them so they don't look so wimpy!?

9.)Chrysler Sebring - Well it came with wheels and doors and.... Oh lets face it the guy that wrote the above comments nailed it "BORING"!!!!!


10.) Jeep Compass- Plain and simple they should have made the Jeepster and the compact truck, rather then adding this to the line-up!

Sorry, I went of on a rant here! but this is just my opinion I could be wrong!

ziggy951
04-08-2009, 09:29 AM
MMMMMMmmm. The Jeepster would have been sweet.



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