Now we are talking Conspiracy!

[Derwin]

Here is a video that I just found. AZE actually gave me the idea to search this out.....thanks AZE!

All I can say is that it makes you think.


Well, here is the link to the video:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2205733

I'll imbed the video here as soon as I figure out how! :confused:

Derwin

[Luigi78]

Wow, that is amazing. At first I was suspecting a scam (dubbed voices over low qual video) but it sure looks like the real thing.
The strangest part is the lack of any followup comments from Jack. I wonder if that last bit really is true?

[RAN]

It's not strange at all that Jack decided to STFU after that happened. How many trillions of dollars and thousands of lives are we wasting on oil today? One movie star more or less wouldn't matter, unless you were that one movie star!

The only reasons that EV's and renewable energy are gaining momentum today is the combination of that resentment of big oil and the way it's poisoning our lives that has taken decades to build, along with the fact that the oil economy has about run it's course. The simple-to-get oil is about gone. Then we move to the $200-500/barrel stuff. How does $30/gallon gas grab you?

Still it's not going to be easy. I had to go to a brand new Auto-Zone that opened up down the street to get oil and filter for an upcoming road trip, and I was struck as I looked up and down the aisles that a good 80% of the stuff they sell won't be needed by electric cars. How do I define momentum in the paragraph above? One way is "when there are too many companies and people working on electric vehicles to blow them all up."

[Miracleman89]

I actually saw this about a year ago! What I found on this when I did some digging is, it is 100% legitimate! I found this absolutely amazing and it makes you truly wonder about conspiracy theories and what happened to the water car guy back in the 60's!

[Derwin]

Well, the water car guy died back in the 90's after eating lunch with his brother at a local restaurant. If you read his story, he claimed that he was threatened, and then he claimed that he was poisoned. All of his research, as well as his vehicle, went missing after he died.

When I first read his story, I got chills up my spine! Can you imagine running a car on nothing more than water!! This would obviously change the world. Now, I don't know if the guy was for real or not. Did he really invent something that would convert normal water into a fuel? I'm not convinced of it, but it does make me wonder what happened.

Derwin

[Miracleman89]

Like I said after I saw this video it made me think! Was he for real? I don't know, but I do know that when the big three or OPEC companies are threatened it always seem like whoever threatens them has a tragic "accident"!

[Hardtime11]

Like I said after I saw this video it made me think! Was he for real? I don't know, but I do know that when the big three or OPEC companies are threatened it always seem like whoever threatens them has a tragic "accident"!


You got it figured out. It is just like anyone who has knowledge of the Clinton's history. :-)

I remember the Nicholson video like it was yesterday. It was during the gas wars of the 70/80's. It was back when diesel was 1/3 the price of gasoline (remember it is still less refined than gasoline). I was at Ft. Hood driving to Mexico with a pickup truck (more than half of bed converted to fuel cell/tank) to get gas at about 1/4 or less of what us Americans were paying and with no lines or rationing.

[CelticFlyer]

Interesting video. I never knew Jack Nicholson was interested in conservation and the environment, or that he appeared in a video featuring a hydrogen-burning car. The obvious implication is that he received a stern talking to (read: threats) by those with oil interests. It's no wonder he never "followed up" after that clip was broadcast!

[MHARVEYM]

Guys,

We are witness to and part of the "NEW REVOLUTION". Gas prices, X challenge, revolutionaries like Ian Bruce....... Hell throw a Rock Band like the Beatles in the picture and change is right around the corner! Big oil can't kill us all! Now, I have my $5,000 ready to be put down on the Vv. All I need is a "green" light.

[MHARVEYM]

My wife just called,

Someone shot the dog!

[cpaddock]

Oh My God, Man! I'm so sorry to hear that! What's WRONG with people these days?
Now I'm going to go out on a limb (again) and suggest a short video which is at www.autobloggreen.com and at www.ted.com which I found very inspirational. It is on topic in that we have become so used to the idea of conspiracies that we have a hard time believing our own eyes and ears. There are a couple of names out there which seem to elicit knee-jerk reactions. Al Gore and Kenny G. In my opinion Al Gore is a brilliant, dedicated man who had the presidency stolen from him/us. And Kenny G is a brilliant musician in his particular niche. Anyway, Al gave a short, but inspired presentation re the opportunity we have as a generation to rise to the challenge of raising the consciouness of humanity on a planetary scale. This is what is required if our children's children are to have any kind of a future. We ARE a growing voice for change.
Look at the science. Look at the politics. Open your mind. We CAN make a difference!
Alooooha!

[MHARVEYM]

I heard that Hydrogen cars and stations were being test marketed in California. Has anyone more information on this. Heard tell of stations being set up and the who GIG!

Any Info out there?

[Camel]

I heard that Hydrogen cars and stations were being test marketed in California. Has anyone more information on this. Heard tell of stations being set up and the who GIG!

Any Info out there?

Here ya go:
http://www.cafcp.org/index.html

[PHEVadvocate]

I put my armor on to make this post, because most of you know my views about hydrogen.

Hydrogen vehicles and ICE's (Internal Combustion Engines) have a few problems and that is why they haven't taken off. A lot of research going on, but the basic problem is that hydrogen is a poor energy carrier for a vehicle using today’s technology. Hydrogen embitterment, High combustion temperatures, pre-ignition, knocking , engine life, and Nitrogen Oxides from high temperature combustion are also issues with hydrogen ICE engines.

If you read between the lines on the following pro-hydrogen web page you will see most of the issues listed above. They get around some of the hydrogen problems by using hydrogen with other fuels to do things like lowering the combustion temperature.

If the auto companies could modify a engine for a couple of $100 and get credit for making a Green car, don't you think they would do it?

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/features/fcvt_feature_retooling_engines.html

The practical Hydrogen ICE vehicle is still not here yet.

[Mark Tomlinson]

I might add that, while it's fun to think Big Oil is conspiring against hydrogen, the fact is that Big Oil is where lots (if not most) of our hydrogen comes from. If you pay moderate attention to the CARB hearings, you'll see that automakers and Big Oil are all about hydrogen.

[Miracleman89]

Here is my conspiracy theory! This technology got slapped under wraps back then because big oil was threatened and now they are bringing it back to the fore front because they now control the hydrogen plants as well. The problem is now it is to little to late! the American infrastructure for regular gas can be found at just about every other corner! The cost to build a global infrastructure will be over whelming and you know that will get passed on to the consumers, through various taxes and price increases to cover those costs! So by the time it is all said and done hydrogen will cost close to what regular gas costs now and you will get less miles to the gallon! To me hydrogen is now just another way for big oil to retain control of the market and control cost to consumers! Electric batteries stand a chance to be the better solution IMHO Due to the fact that there are a lot of battery companies out there right now with more coming and most don't have a thing to do with big oil! Now having said that I will start watching the skies for black helicopters at night!

[RAN]

There may be an even bigger conspiracy afoot. The metal fuel cell (aka the zinc-air battery) was proven several years ago in buses. It also set a distance record in an automobile back in 2003 or 2004. It is clean power and it's relatively easy to refuel. It creates electricity turning readily available zinc into zinc oxide, which can be re-converted back to zinc and re-used over and over again. It can be scaled down to run laptops, or scaled up to run cars, buses, or power your whole house. With all it's advantages, why is it that all series hybrids on the drawing boards all use ICEs as range extenders? Oh yeah. Big Oil and Big Automakers. There's no percentage to them in seeing this technology come to the forefront, and it seems to have been quietly buried in the last few years. Everyone's so impressed to think of series hybrids like the Volt (or the V-1) being able to get 100MPG of GAS, but they're still using gas and they're still using ICEs. Big Oil and Big Automakers are still in the game. The move to hydrogen is designed to keep them in the game.

[azskycop]

I will start watching the skies for black helicopters at night!

Hey, I actually fly those black helicopters.....maybe we should start watching you!!!!

[Miracleman89]

Hey, I actually fly those black helicopters.....maybe we should start watching you!!!!

Go for it! :LOL: You will never catch me!!!=D

[PHEVadvocate]

In my post "Hydrogen ICE- Still not ready for prime time!"; somehow "Hydrogen embrittlement" became "Hydrogen embitterment".

Hydrogen embrittlement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement

We must have a “evil” hydrogen sympathizer in the club trying to destroy the V1 (or a rogue spellchecking program). ;)

[CelticFlyer]

I think hydrogen is bitter enough; it doesn't need any more embitterment. :LOL:

I agree with RAN completely. Anyone who's seen "Who Killed The Electric Car?" will agree that big oil is a bully. Big oil (ruthless and greedy shareholders) will always want a piece of the action; a leopard can't change his spots. That said, it's especially dangerous to ALL because they're ONLY concerned with lining their pockets, and fail to assume ANY responsibility for the health of the planet, or it's passengers.

[tugboatwilly]

mm89 tell me you are pulling our leg. You don't believe big oil hasn't had time to infiltrate the battery movement? Why do you suppose they pushed developement of CORN as a feed source for methonal, '=n:cause it takes 30% more oil to make one gallon and a nice by product is the loss of feed for animals and food for people thereby driving demand for more, more, more.

[MVRacing]

Hi Tug,
Humm, I'm not so sure MM is too far off the mark. Was reading about the GM EV1, and their inovative batteries (at the time), after I saw "Who killed the Electric Car". Seems the guy who developed the "break-thru" battery technology had his own company, sold a 51% interest to GM for the rights to supply GM. Then when GM pulled the plug (pun intended) on the EV, GM sold the controlling interest to Exxon.....and what have we heard since??
I did see a TV interview with the inventor (he's still going) and he made a statement to the effect that he would never again let control out of his hands.

[Miracleman89]

tugboatwilly- Don't get me wrong. I am fully aware that Big Oil has a hand in there but it is too wide spread! The thing is they are there but they no longer have the controlling interest, with so many different companies, they can't own them all!

[tugboatwilly]

And they made how many BILLION this quarter? And GM/Mopar/Ford lost how many millions this quarter?

[tugboatwilly]

I think if there is the slightest chance to break some of the strangle hold Big Oil has on the world, no effort should be spared.I am with you 1000%.

[cpaddock]

I am so PISSED and OFFENDED! Anyone catch the latest Chevy Tahoe Hybrid ad campaign? They sponsered a special Alaska climate change "scientific" expedition
program. Segments showing glaciers record melting and millions of acres of dead spruce forests were interrupted with ads/propaganda trying to make it look like the Chevy Tahoe Hybrid is some kind of solution. They made a bunch of little kids wear uncomfortable cardboard "cars" which were supposed to represent "punishment vehicles"
and then asked them if they wouldn't rather have a great big SUV for all their stuff?
"YES!" they all shouted in unison, rather like those dutiful north koreans adoring their great leader. I mean, GET REAL! This thing gets 20 MPG, maybe, and STARTS at $55,000!
Looks like a small school bus. CHEVROLET.....you are not helping!!!!!

[PHEVadvocate]

Here is something new about Cobasys another great Oil Company Conspiracy topic:

WWW.thecarconnection.com/blog/?p=840

Gee Cobasys has a solid lock on NiMH technology and they can't make any money, I wonder why?

Somebody is playing some games and I bet it is the Oil Company. =y:

[Miracleman89]

The company is done Chevron is on their board! They will fall to bankruptcy! As for GM hybrid vehicles they will have to suffer the cost of new suppliers and will increase their overall price to where they will not even be affordable thus GM will Soon plunge! I find this sad and funny at the same time! The car companies that protected the oil industry for so long making them a supreme power in the automobile industry will now be forced out of business by that very same industry they protected! The sad thing is if GM made an gargantuan SUV that got 1 mile to the gallon the oil industry would probably help them promote it! When will people wake up!