How Cool Is This?

[Derwin]

Maybe some of you already knew about this vehicle, but I just happened to come across it today. It looks like it uses the same type of tilting tech as the Carver and V1, except in the form of a scooter. Pretty cool if you ask me!

Here's a video:

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Some photo's:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=438&stc=1&d=1212191895


http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=439&stc=1&d=1212191895

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=440&stc=1&d=1212191895

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=441&stc=1&d=1212191895

This thing claims to get around 74mpg. Pretty neat!

Derwin

[johnhead]

Great Discovery Derwin...I'm going to check it out.. What I need NOW!

[rogwild]

Here is some more info:

http://tinyurl.com/2h8ea7
or
http://www.helix-3.tk/

Too bad he is not 'producing' them, and no PRICE given, but we can hope. This with the Piaggio MP3 Hybrid engine system (184mpg) and we'd have a winner.

[Derwin]

The thing that really caught my attention on this scooter, is the tilting technology. It looks so very much like the Carver application. I'll tell you something......If we could find out exactly how this thing is made, I wouldn't mind trying to produce some right here in the Chicago area.

It's gonna be a long wait for the V1, and this would be nice to have in the meantime. But, when you think about it, gathering all of the information, and then putting a semi-enclosed scooter together, may take a long time also!

Derwin

[MVRacing]

Cute, but fugley :LOL: That seat looks like it could take a 400 pounder. While the tilt is cool ... no sex appeal like the Vv. IMHO

[Derwin]

Yeah, I agree with you on the looks part, but I was referring to the concept itself, and not so much the way it looked. The tilting tech really does look similar to the Carver. I think a vehicle like this would be incredibly awesome to have, but would obviously need some serious redesign work done on the body. It looks like the guy tore a seat out of his car, and stuck it on the scooter! But all in all, I wouldn't mind having one.

Derwin

[CelticFlyer]

I feel the same way as MVRacing. The first thing I thought of was all of the seniors and morbidly obese people zipping around town on their Rascals. But you cannot deny it's got a hint of cool factor; that tilt is pretty sweet.

Maybe it's V1's distant cousin? :rolleyes:

[Derwin]

The TILTING part is what I was interested in. The design is obviously ridiculous. Heck, why not just put a Lazy-Boy chair on the thing? But the TILT is what makes me excited about this. Am I wrong, or doesn't the tilting part look very similar to the Carver?

Like I said, I would love to take that tech, and then create a nice looking 250cc scooter out of it. Maybe even a hybrid scooter, or something with a steering wheel instead of handles. I think given the proper design, this thing could have TONS of "sex" appeal. What do you think?

But I don't post anything to be compared with the V1. The V1 is in a class by itself. IMHO.

By the way...... elderly and obese people need to get around also, you know! ;)

Derwin

[MVRacing]

It would be interesting to see how he accomplished his tilt. Unfortunately, no details on his website.

[CelticFlyer]

By the way...... elderly and obese people need to get around also, you know! ;)

Oh, I agree. I have no elder/obese bias. I'm getting on in years and I've always had a weight problem. I was just commenting on how much the "Lazy-Boy" recliner look of the seat reminded me of scooters for disabled people. I don't know if they're that common in your area, but here in Sacramento, they're all over the place. And many of their users are very rude. They come barreling through crowds and expect everyone to clear out of their way. I walk a lot around town, and they blow past you on the sidewalk without so much as a warning that they're going by. It's rather annoying, actually.

[rogwild]

I think a Recado (sp?) type seat (or even the original scooter 1+ seat would look better than his 'falling apart at the seams' chair.

As for the tilt mechanism, there have been many types of 'tilters', and I can see no indication that this has a 'hydraulic system' similar to the CARVER. Probably just a beefed-up version of the old Honda Gyro (with the license plate, rear cover that gives it the 'Carver look').

If one of these was available, with some Wx protection, minimal 'cargo' capacity, got 80-100mpg, and was in the $10,000 range.....I'd get one to use for the majority of 'around-town' chores and light shopping trips.

[MVRacing]

Hi rogwild,
Racaro seats http://www.recaro.com/index.php?id=1501&region=3&L=2

I'm in the pacific northwest, so wouldn't be able to use it comfortably as much. Just have to wait for my Vv

[Derwin]

As for the tilt mechanism, there have been many types of 'tilters', and I can see no indication that this has a 'hydraulic system' similar to the CARVER. Probably just a beefed-up version of the old Honda Gyro (with the license plate, rear cover that gives it the 'Carver look').

Yeah, that's what it reminded me of....the Honda Gyro. Why isn't there a scooter like this on the market right now? I think something like this would be very popular. And, if it could be semi-enclosed, you would open it up to a whole new market of people that need something to get around locally.

I like the idea, and I wish I could get the designs for something like that. Heck, if I had the detailed specs, I might even consider building one. It would be like having a Carver or V1, except in scooter form!

Derwin

[RAN]

Derwin, on the Helix site under General Information it shows that he designed a folding roof for it that at least keeps the rain out. That, along with the large wrap-around windshield would make the Helix relatively comfortable in cold/rainy weather.

[Derwin]

Exactly, RAN. And, with the tilting ability, I thought this would be kind of fun to scoot around town in. I already emailed this guy asking him if he is interested in selling any specs to me, but I doubt I will get any response.

I am thinking that a total re-design of the thing could produce a nice vehicle. Heck, it's gonna be a few years until we actually see a V1, so we have to start looking for other things in the mean-time.

Derwin

[rogwild]

I think a 'RECARO Profi SPA':

http://www.recaro.com/index.php?id=3626&region=3&L=2

would make it look less 'geeky'.

[Derwin]

Rogwild, I think it will take a little more than that RECARO seat to make this look less geeky! I am thinking a total re-design of the body. But once that gets a new body overhaul, I think it would be fun.

Do you, or does anybody else, know of any DETAILED tilting plans that could be used in building a custom tilting scooter? Even a reverse trike would be good in my opinion.

Derwin

[TazmanianKoala]

Hey, that is really a cool way of driving. Also a tilting vehicle.
My younger brother bought a similar vehicle (http://www.vasterman.com/tricycle-1.htm) some time ago.

http://www.vasterman.com/pics/TriCycle/IMG_9637%20(Small).jpg

He is not very fond of the quality he bought. Since he bought the car he has had a lot of troubles. It started out with a broken spring for the tilting mechanism. The tilting is pure mechanical, controlled by some some springs. Also the built quality is very poor (to say the least). He is constantly repairing the defects and wherever possible he tries to improve it.

Note: When he bought the car, the legal status was not yet clear. Since january this year the legal status has been changed from "car" to "three wheeled motorcycle". He has to wear a helmet when driving it.

[Derwin]

TAZ,

I went to your brothers website the other day, and I read about his experience with the vehicle. It seems he resolved all of the issues, and really enjoys the thing, though.

The company that makes these scooters is located in China, and I was going to import a few of them to see how they would sell here in the States. If you can, please give me a little more details on how your brother is doing with it now. Is he still enjoying it?

Here's a video of this thing. It looks really fun!

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Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin,
First time post. If you do import these scooters, place me right up in front of the waiting line. After looking at several inclosed scooters, this comes the closest to the VV1 concept. I have no problem with the comfortable, stable ride and I am way past the I- want-to-look flashy stage.

[Mike kZ]

I like it! What size engine is in it? The front windshield needs to be wider, to keep your arms dry when raining.

[RAN]

That thing looks kinda scary, especially taking China's poor design/quality control into account. If it was made in Taiwan, maybe.....

[Derwin]

Actually, it does look way to thin and tall. But, according to reports, this thing can be pretty fun. The motor that they have on it now is a 150cc, which can probably go around 60 to 65mph with the wind at your back. I was thinking maybe having them put a 250cc motor in it. But you may be right, RAN, this thing may be too scary at any higher speeds. I do think, though, that this would be a nice vehicle for bopping around town.

I need some input from EVERYBODY on this vehicle. Any and all suggestions/comments are welcome....good and bad. If I decide to import these things, I want to make sure they are the best they can be, and you can help me with your comments.

Derwin

[rogwild]

From the model designation; "Vogue XY150ZK", I would guess that it is 150cc. Not much for performance, but hopefully it has good economy (at slow speeds) even pushing that large windscreen. One good thing about the Chinese 150cc clones; I've heard that they are such good 'copies' that better quality Honda 150cc parts can be used for some/most repairs. The 'weather protection' problem could be addressed with an set of after-market 'vacuum' molded clear acrylic (bolt/snap-on) extensions for the windshield-to-mirror area, and a lower 'splash guard' for the foot-wells. Even some type of 'snap-in' roll-up/down vinyl side curtains (like on boat tops/sides) could be made for those really rainy places. I would feel more 'secure' with a more substantial 'Power Pod', but I guess this would do for an 'around-town' transport.

'T-K'; any information on your brother's 'scooter' (Kabinroller); economy, mpg-km/l, top speed, sale price?

Derwin; if you get any info on these please keep us posted (I'll do the same). Even though it is an ICE, and the workmanship is 'sub-standard' (like my Camo EV Zooom); it would help with gas expenses until (WHEN/IF) the V~1 hits the road. If fact, if you 'import' some, we could DUB them the Vogue V~.5 and create a "Scoot-The-Road-Club", or have a special Section/Squadron here for the V~.5 "Scoot-Scouts", to 'scout the skies/roads for the promised V~1's as far as 'registration', laws, helmets, etc. in our different states. Since I've already got my 'motorcycle also' endorsement, and helmets are not required in Florida (even for non-enclosed cycles)......I'm ready to 'SCOOT'.
If you can get some at a reasonable price (including delivery to Florida...no more driving cross-country hauling a scooter on a trailer for ME), I might be interested. I'd really like to have a 3-wheeled 'tilter' BEFORE I get Social Security....or have to get a 3-wheeled 'WALKER"(self-induced 'tilting').

[MVRacing]

Hi Dewin,
It would be interesting to find out what problems TazmanianKoala's brother has encountered.
In the video, it does almost appear to be unstable/tilt too easy.
IMHO, it would be wise to find one to test drive/evaluate before you even attempt to import.

[RAN]

Rog, did you finally get your Camo EV Zooom? Or are those pics of The One Existing Camo Version On Earth? :)

It would be great if there was an EV version of this Vogue... I don't think it'd be safe to ride/drive over 50mph anyway.

[Derwin]

Roger, is that the camo scooter that you got from Mr. Papp? That thing looks pretty cool! When you get the time, I think many of use would enjoy hearing all of the details about yoru adventure with this guy. ;-)

MVR...I may have them send me a sample before placing a big order with them. I have an agent in China that can handle all of this, so it won't be a big deal.

We may be able to make some customizations to this vehicle ourselves in order to ATTEMPT to make it more stable, and also make it a little better looking. You idea to make it more protective from the weather is good also, and I'm sure other things can be done as well.

The thing is, I know that the V1 will not be available for a few years, so we have to try to get something else in the meantime. This vehicle is similar in that it leans, but the leaning technology involved is rather crude. They are springs! But when you watch people driving it around, it looks pretty nice. Do worrying about the wind in your face, or rain on your head!

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin,
Maybe it would be a good idea to acquire one "proto-type" unit to test drive, check for bugs and to see what modifications/improvements can be made?

[Derwin]

Derwin,
Maybe it would be a good idea to acquire one "proto-type" unit to test drive, check for bugs and to see what modifications/improvements can be made?


Absolutely. This is a great idea.

Hey, I just uploaded the "Owners Manual" to this thing up to the club server. But I don't know what the link is to it. I uploaded the pdf document to the club public_html folder, and the document name is: tilting scooter manual.pdf

Can anyone help?

Derwin

[rogwild]

Yep, guys; took a short vacation last month, and with the assistance of the Easton, PA (Wilson Borough PD); I obtained the LONG AWAITED (from 11 July 2007) ZOOOM EV Scooter, from SPARK-EV. Unfortunately, it is 'non-operational' (presently) since MP did not supply the 8ea 12Vdc 30Ahr batteries, and the throttle handle was removed (and wires cut). Also the local police have all the 'paperwork' (from a seizure via search warrant) and I have to 'find' the VIN number (they couldn't find one) on it to get the MCO (Manufacturers Certificate of Origin), in order to get a Florida title. Hope to get it all 'sorted out' and on the road sometime this summer (at least BEFORE the V~1's arrive)!
Good news; there were only 00.8 mi. on the odometer (probably from 'pushing' it).

I'll start an new thread, and tell the 'rest of the story', when I get a chance. A real 'saga', but until then, here's a couple more photos....
The Camo Zooom (on a second-hand snow machine trailer [bought in PA]) after a 'blow-out' on a section of 'roughed-up' payment being repaired on I-85 outside of Atlanta.
And the Camo Zooom, safely home on trailer in Florida!

[Derwin]

Very cool, Roger! Hey, I think I see a couple of Adam's Trikkes in that trailer! I guess you must have went Trikking on your little trip, huh?

Go ahead and start another thread in the appropriate forum in regards to your Papp adventure. This will be a good read while sipping a nice cool Sierra Mist Free on ice! :)

Derwin

[Derwin]

Can somebody help with with this? I uploaded the owners manual for this covered scooter, and I wanted to know how to create the link so people can download it. Please check my past post for the location.

Thanks.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Here's another GSMOON Vogue:
http://tinyurl.com/4z2dcj
Where did you find the manual (in English)?

[RAN]

Sorry Derwin, I can't find it either.

[Derwin]

The manual is up on the server right now. I just can't figure out how to link it here for download. Here is the exact location where I uploaded it:

/public_html

I put it in the public_html folder. And the document is called:

tilting scooter manual.pdf

When I go to the cpanel of the club site, I can see the pdf document in the public_html folder. So, all I need to figure out is how do we make it available?

Derwin

[rogwild]

Here is yet another (French site):

http://tinyurl.com/4tseur

retail 2999 euros
wholesale 2390 euros

Derwin, from what website did you download the manual? I'm not having any luck here or with a 'google' search.

[Derwin]

Roger, Again.......I uploaded this pdf document up to OUR server. IT IS ON THE CLUB SERVER RIGHT NOW.

I uploaded it to the public_html folder of the club website. The name of the file is tilting scooter manual.pdf

Now, if anybody knows about these things, please tell us how to access this on OUR server. The information above should be enough for those that are knowleagable about these things. I would REALLY appreciate help from anybody that knows. For some reason, I just can't figure it out!

Derwin

[rogwild]

Here are some of the Chinese sites:

http://xingyueshen.com/product_gd.php?id3=22
http://kangtai.en.alibaba.com/offerdetail/59398683/Sell_EEC_Approved_Motorcycle_XY150ZK_.html
http://www.ecvv.com/product/vp1115949/China-china-eec-scooter-xy150zk.html
http://www.ecvv.com/product/vp731807/China-Three-wheel-motorcycle-XY150ZK.html
http://tinyurl.com/3ejym9
http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/4075745/MOTOR_TRIKE.html
Price: EUR € 1243 / pc (~ USD$ 1759.72) Min. order = 20 ea.

[Derwin]

Xingyue is the company that I have been talking with about importing these vehicles. I am currently in negotiations with them. I have used Alibaba.com for years in my import business. There are many good contacts on there, but you have to be careful.....there are also some very crooked people also.

Who gave you the price of $1759 with a minimum order of 20? It must have been a distibutor.
Oh, never mind. I just found them.

Derwin

[rogwild]

The price (probably NOT current) is just a 'ballpark' figure from the 'diytrade' site. I would imagine that if the price (considering transportation, duties, prep, and delivery) could be kept in the $3,000-$5,000 range, that there would be a great demand as fuel prices continue to rise. Any word on the 'MPG" on these? Hopefully 60-80mpg at 30mph.:o

Oh, by the way; save me a SILVER one =D
(I can put some aircraft decals on it).:Beer:

DERWIN = "Roger, Again.......I uploaded this pdf document up to OUR server. IT IS ON THE CLUB SERVER RIGHT NOW."

I know that; my question was; "Derwin, from what website did you download the manual?" i.e. Where did you get the ORIGINAL .pdf manual FROM that you 'uploaded' to the club site?

[Derwin]

Rogwild,

Here is the link to the document:

http://vasterman.com/pics/TriCycle/user%20manual%20tricycle.pdf

But I have this document on OUR CLUB SERVERS. So I want people to access it from there. If anybody can help with this, please let me know. Again, it is already on the club servers in the public_html folder.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Thanks, for the link. I just was bit concerned about 'Copywrite' infringement, but I didn't see any on the .pdf, and if you got permission to use it, then NO PROBLEMS. I know of some websites that got some 'cease & desist' notices for using material from other sites. Probably NOT a problem here since we are using them for 'informational purposes', not commercial, and as long as credit is given to the original source, we should be fine. (disclaimer; I am NOT a lawyer, but I've watched some on TV)

Sorry, I'm no computer tech either; I can't even find the file with my "User CP".

[Derwin]

This pdf document is from the manufacturer in China. When/If I import these vehicles, I will be creating a much better owners manual taken, of course, from the one that you have seen. I will also be placing our company emblem on each vehicle. We are thinking of calling this division "BEUSHAUSEN MOTOR WERKS", as in "BMW". This way we give the impression that they are German made scooters! Just kidding!

Do you think we'll have any problems with that name? :Beer:

Derwin

[rogwild]

Catchy name, I like it..=D...BUT since BMW does make motorcycles (and even made the BMW C1 covered scooter), I doubt that it would 'fly'. :cry: Might have a better chance using IBM (don't think they make motor vehicles).:eek:

[Derwin]

Actually, Roger, I was obviously joking about the BMW name. But we WILL be using BEUSHAUSEN in the name in some way. Have any ideas? We want the name to be short and sweet, and naturally give the image of a "motor" company. I won't promise you a new scooter (like Mr. Papp did) if you come up with the winning name, but I could offer some kind of "prize". =y:

Derwin

[rogwild]

I'll try to put on another YouTube video of a Vogue:
(not sure how to embed, so here is the URL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPrnobVBciw&feature=related
She seems a bit 'timid' with the tilting/turning, large turn radius, but its a movie.

Here is a link for making side wind deflectors/visors for it:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.geocities.jp/fza03573/vogue/vogue_top.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2BXY150ZK%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Tried 'tinyURL' but it wouldn't work.
Other good 'mods' to the Vogue scooter on this Japanese site.
He has some good pictures of his mod's and a some good stories; ie. tipped it over while parked, bringing it home (had to repair the mirror and scratches). Difficult to decipher the 'translated' Japanese at times, other times very funny.

[Derwin]

Roger, after thinking about this, I am going to hold a contest for coming up with a good name for our new company. I'll begin a new thread in regards to this. It may be fun, and I can offer some kind of prize, or even a deeply discounted tilting scooter. Sound good?

About the video. Yeah, I seen that video already. That is a really short video, that's why I chose to post this longer video:

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Derwin

[RAN]

How about BEUSHAUSEN HAUS? or BEUSHAUSEN HAUS MOTORWERKS?

BTW, I can't find the public_html folder either, and I looked everywhere I know how.

[Derwin]

Good ideas, RAN. Take those names and post them to the new thread I just created if you can. I think this can be a little fun! Oh, and Roger....Don't worry, if you win, I won't treat you like Mr. Papp did!

As for the file, I really don't understand it. When I go to the cpanel.... www.flytheroadclub.com/cpanel, I can see it in the public_html folder. I just don't know what link to create so people can get to it. Oh, well, no big deal.

Derwin

[RAN]

How do you access the cpanel without the link? I still don't see it anywhere. Also, it won't accept my username or password so I still can't enter.

[Derwin]

You can't access the Cpanel. Only I can access that! The cpanel of the site is like the "core" or "heart" of this domain is located. It is also where I have many "add-on" domains. I have never allowed anyone access to the cpanel because it could destroy not only this site, but all of the other site connected as well. I just mentioned the cpanel to let you know where the file is located. Acutally, it's NOT "located" there, but it is where I can control all aspects of this site, including putting things on the club server.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Sounds like time to "ASK ADAM BOMB"?

[Derwin]

I don't want to bother Adam right now. He has his own suite-case full of problems due to this past outage. I think it has affected him big-time because he is actually the one hosting all of these sites, and we are his customers. I'm sure many people were not as understanding as me, but I may be wrong. After all, it wasn't Adams fault, but some just don't understand that, and will blame HIM because he is the one charging for the hosting service.

So, I think it's best to leave him alone for now! After all, it's not really important anyway. The pdf file can be obtained through that other link.

Derwin

[rogwild]

I understand, just a thought; since 'TrikkeTalk' is back on line.

[Derwin]

I have just been contacted by a company offering me this covered scooter:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=451&stc=1&d=1212466176

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=452&stc=1&d=1212466176

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453&stc=1&d=1212466176

To me, these things look pretty sweet, and they still offer some protection from the elements, although obviously not much.

After doing a little research on the 3-wheeled covered scooter, I found out that it just is not stable at all. You were correct, RAN, that thing has some major structural problems.

So, I have found this new scooter that is very nice, and covered. Please let me know what you all think.....good and bad.

Derwin

[RAN]

I though this looked familiar.... then I remembered where I'd seen it: http://www.spark-ev.com/zooom.html

Any chance of doing an electric conversion on it? I'm sure yours would be better than Papp's.
I think there's a real market for EV scooters that run and look good.

[Derwin]

RAN,

Wow! That does look very similar. Nut's.....I don't want to be going down the same road as the Papp-meister! But his is all-electric, though. I was not told about an all electric model, but I didn't ask, either. I'll check it out.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Hey Derwin, if you can get an Owner's Manual on this scooter (or the electric model, like the Spark~EV Zooom [probably Papp's name]); I could use a copy. I still need to know what batteries are recommended for it. Papp never responded to me when I emailed him for info. Mine did not come with an Owner's Manual (or the police still have it).

Also, if you could, ask them where they stamp/place the VIN#. I'm going to have to take all the plastic covers off to search for my VIN# (if it has one). I'd hate to waste time/effort is they don't have one, or I'm looking in the wrong place.

Too bad about the Vogue, since it said the fuel economy was 2.8l/100km = 84mpg. The Zooom was touted to have an EV range of about 30 miles with max 30-40mph (site now says 45+/-mph; range 45mi.). Papp had said that there was a Li-Ion option (about $1,000) that would raise the top speed about 5 mph and triple the range (also speed recharge times, and extend battery life). Mine has a 1500KWh hub motor, I have seen some other EV models (non-Zooom) with a 2000kWh motor. I think the EV scooters, will have a large market (especially if some weather protection). Once Li-Ion battery prices come down, I'll probably 'upgrade', if I am using my scooter frequently. The SLA (sealed lead acid) batteries (8 ea. for 48 volt system) also add about 200lbs under the driver/passenger seat. Does make it a bit more difficult to get used to (compared to a standard ICE scooter w/o the high windshield and folding roof). A local lady had an ICE model and let hers fall, breaking the mirror and turn signal. I saw it in a local shop, for repairs.

The ROUND rear window is usually on the 'TANK' scooters, the company that made my type (and the EV model) has a rectangular rear window. TANKs have been around a bit longer (and wider distribution) and have a slightly better reputation for quality.

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
e-bay had a similar covered model for$2470.00 and a three wheeled model for $4000.00 (which is perty steep for a top speed of 45 mph). The Tank Courier 150 still sells for approx. $2000.00 but has been discontinued by most shops because of poor quality and very bad customer service.

[RAN]

I think that Papp was doing the conversions himself (which is pretty scary in itself when you think about it).

There are several EV associations and businesses that convert gas to electric. One sells e-scooters that you might get some ideas from (you could certainly improve on their website!): http://www.forsenusa.com/batteries.html

If you could hook up with somebody in the Chicago area that could design the conversions for you, the sky would be the limit.

[RAN]

Hey, I just realized something......Did you guys know that when you click on the little thumbnails in a post, that they actually come up in a "gallery" view? This must be one of those new features we were expecting. Anyway, I just found it out by clicking on the little scooter thumbnails. Pretty cool!

I don't see thumbnails, nor do I see embedded pics like we did when you 1st opened the club. This may be because I use Firefox, but I've always used it and I used to see pics and thumbnails.


NO, he did NOT. <snip> It appeared to be a complete SCAM; he just ordered a couple 'units' to use as show. Like I said earlier, don't believe mine was EVER operational. Also the one that he shipped to ETA (Electric Transportation of Arkansas) for their Grand Opening, was not operational and had no batteries.

That's why I thought he made em himself. ;)

[Derwin]

I don't get it, Rog. You mean to tell me he imported this thing? I just checked it, and it states that it can only go around 40mph, and only around 35 miles per charge. This just doesn't even seem like a vehicle people would go for. But I guess I may be wrong about that. I would think that people would want to go faster, and get more mileage.

Derwin

[Derwin]

ATTENTION:

THERE IS SOMETHING VERY STRANGE GOING ON IN THIS FORUM RIGHT NOW.

I have posted a couple times, and each time the post would not appear in the correct place. This is very strange. I also see that RAN posted, and it showed up weird.

RAN.... You cannot see any imbedded pics? And you can't see any thumbnails? This is a big problem also. Can you see an photos at all?

Derwin

[RAN]

Derwin, the more I think about it, the more I think that trying to import vehicles from China is a waste of time and money. I never hear anything good about their products from a quality standpoint, and their cars have absolutely horrible crash ratings. Importing products made in Taiwan may be another story, but I'd have to see it to believe it.

We all want something that isn't going to kill us at the gas pump, but none of us wants something that's going to kill us on the road either. =n:

[Derwin]

RAN, wouldn't the electric conversion cost me around $1,000 per scooter? This sounds like a huge jump in price, and I'm not sure people would pay that much more simply to have an all-electric scooter. But I really have no idea, it's just a guess.

Can I get somebody's opinion on how much they think that scooter with the roof should RETAIL for? In other words, if YOU were in the market for one, what do you think it SHOULD cost? And, what would you be willing to pay for it? I just want some input before I risk a lot of money on something that may not sell!

Roger, did you try looking at the center of the steering column? Or, did you see a metal tag attached to the steering column? This is where I have seen them before on scooters.

Derwin

[RAN]

ATTENTION:

THERE IS SOMETHING VERY STRANGE GOING ON IN THIS FORUM RIGHT NOW.

I have posted a couple times, and each time the post would not appear in the correct place. This is very strange. I also see that RAN posted, and it showed up weird.

RAN.... You cannot see any imbedded pics? And you can't see any thumbnails? This is a big problem also. Can you see an photos at all?

Derwin

I noticed the posting anomaly too; my new posts are going to the top of the page.

[Derwin]

Hey, I just realized something......Did you guys know that when you click on the little thumbnails in a post, that they actually come up in a "gallery" view? This must be one of those new features we were expecting. Anyway, I just found it out by clicking on the little scooter thumbnails. Pretty cool!

:eek:

Derwin

[rogwild]

I think that Papp was doing the conversions himself (which is pretty scary in itself when you think about it).

NO, he did NOT. He had NO conversion facility, NO showroom, only a computer in his house, and an old garage in the alley, and NO tools or equipment or supplies for 'conversions' that I saw (or the police observed--according to the Chief of Police). It appeared to be a complete SCAM; he just ordered a couple 'units' to use as show. Like I said earlier, don't believe mine was EVER operational. Also the one that he shipped to ETA (Electric Transportation of Arkansas) for their Grand Opening, was not operational and had no batteries.

Here is the model that I believe Papp imported:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/51728038/E_Scooter_LY002.html

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
THe Galaxy scooter does interest me even without the all electric conversion. Can we get some specs on milage, top speed etc.?

p.s. Postings are acting weird.

[Derwin]

The galaxy scooter with the roof can go around 60 miles per hour. Here is the mileage information:

Fuel consumption at average speed: 2.1L/100km

100km is over 62 miles. And 2.1 liters is is a little over half a gallon of gas. So, am I figuring this wrong, or does this thing get around 100mpg???

Derwin

[rogwild]

Here's a used one (2006 Tank Urban Courier <800miles) for sale:

http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2006-TANK-URBAN-COURIER-CONVERTIBLE-150-90292693

Perhaps the owner can provide some information, to see if they would be worth 'importing'.

Here is also a YouTube 'home video' on one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfrJAv_nMk&feature=related

[Derwin]

I just checked that link, roger, and I called the person. All I got was a woman in an answering machine. But it's early in the state of Washington right now.

The listing stated that it gets 80mpg, and that it goes 50mph. I think this may be a bit conservative on the sellers part. I currently own a 150cc scooter that was advertised would go "up to 55mph", but I have had the thing over 65mph, and could have gone even faster. But this was on a flat grade, and with no wind.

The galaxy shows a much better gas mileage on it. I think it is a really neat little scooter with the windshield and roof. I think this might just be a "keeper" for importing. What do you all think? Can I start taking deposits now? You can order by posting below! =y:

Derwin

[Derwin]

Here's a used one (2006 Tank Urban Courier <800miles) for sale:

http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2006-TANK-URBAN-COURIER-CONVERTIBLE-150-90292693

Perhaps the owner can provide some information, to see if they would be worth 'importing'.

Here is also a YouTube 'home video' on one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfrJAv_nMk&feature=related

Roger, I just watched that video, and the guy stated that it sells for a little under $2,000. I was up all night last night talking to contacts in China, and I don't see how this can RETAIL in America for only $2,000. My cost directly from the factory, along with ocean freight, customs fees, taxes, etc. would put me very close to that figure. Unless a company is running a not for profit business, I don't see how it sells for $2,000. Maybe he was talking about the China factory price...I don't know.

Or, it could be just a cheaper model. The one I have been researching looks a lot better:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=452&stc=1&d=1212466176

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=453&stc=1&d=1212466176

I would have to sell this thing for A LEAST $2495 just to make a profit. And that's not really a decent profit.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Derwin, if you do contact someone, you might want to get their opinion of 'handling' with the higher CG and added weight (I see they have a smaller scooter also). Might also ask about any 'tip over' problems (seems to be a common problem with the weight/CG; when 'stopped' or parked). I notice that they have BOTH the kickstand and the CENTER STAND down. Can be difficult for a smaller person to get it up on the center stand.

Also on the Galaxy, I don't see any mirrors/ turn signals. (the black one had two exposed wires). Price wise, the guy may have gotten a 'close out', since one of the scooter stores I noticed was discontinuing the Tank Urban Courier.

Here's another dealer:
http://www.scootersus.com/tankscooters.html
Looks like VERY competitive pricing. Maybe not the market to be in.

And here is the Baron BAS 150cc convertible scooter:

http://www.scootersus.com/bossscooters.html

[Derwin]

I don't see the center of gravity being a problem since the roof is so small and lightweight. As far as the center stand goes....I have a 150cc scooter now, and the center stand takes a little bit of effort to get down. I would assume it would be the same with this scooter.

Wow, I just clicked on the new link you added to your post. I think you may be correct....this market is not one to get into right now. All of these companies selling scooter may have bought them when the dollar had more value, so they obviously got a better deal from China. The prices that I am receiving from several companies would not even allow me to sell them at the prices these others are offering.

I do like this scooter, though. And I would be willing to put together an order for a 20' container of them, if I could get a few people together that wanted them.

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
As I posted before, stay away from the Tank Courier 150. I was personally told by a dealer I phoned about the problems this scooter had and why he discontinued it.

[Derwin]

I don't know why rogwild posted information about the "Tank". This is not the scooter that I am talking about. It may "look" similar, but there are MANY scooters that have the same "look", but are simply not the same.

The scooter that I am talking about is the Galaxy.

Derwin

[rogwild]

I posted it BECAUSE many of these 'Chinese Scooters/Bikes' are made in the same factory, by the SAME company, but just put different name plates on them as they go out the door to the dealers. Some have different 'body molding', but basically the same frame/drivetrain. Sure there are differences so you really have to do your RESEARCH before getting involved and see what other products they make and what their reputation is. Buyer Beware! When one product gets a bad rep. instead of 'fixing it'; its easier to make a few cosmetic changes, slap on a new name and 'START OVER'. Case in point; Papp's switch from FLYBO-EV to SPARK-EV.

[rogwild]

I don't see the center of gravity being a problem since the roof is so small and lightweight. As far as the center stand goes....I have a 150cc scooter now, and the center stand takes a little bit of effort to get down. I would assume it would be the same with this scooter. Derwin

The 'roof' is not the major problem; How about the large windshield/frame/wipers and the LARGE compartment in the rear (all ABOVE a normal scooter's CG). As for the center stand; have YOU ever been on one of these (they are significantly heavier and unwieldy), I HAVE. That is why I suggested you ask the owner of the used vehicle, so you can get info from someone who actually KNOWS, so you would not have to 'assume'.

[RAN]

Honestly, that roof is so narrow I don't see it providing much rain protection. The Galaxy is a good looking scooter though...

I really don't need another vehicle right now. I only have to drive 800-1000 miles/year, so I'm gonna limp through the next year or two with my old Plymouth 4-banger, but when I get something that I enjoy driving, though, I'm gonna wear out the electric cord on it. :RADAR:

[Derwin]

When one product gets a bad rep. instead of 'fixing it'; its easier to make a few cosmetic changes, slap on a new name and 'START OVER'. Case in point; Papp's switch from FLYBO-EV to SPARK-EV.


Roger, You are the guy that HELPED Papp make that switch. You even came up with the "Spark-EV" name! :eek:

Derwin

[rogwild]

Roger, You are the guy that HELPED Papp make that switch. You even came up with the "Spark-EV" name! :eek:

Derwin

So,........and your point is? See I have learned something from my RESEARCH, but better LATE than NEVER!

[Derwin]

So,........and your point is?

No point at all, rog! Just making a funny observation. ;)

Derwin

[rogwild]

No point at all, rog! Just making a funny observation. ;)

Derwin

Yep, Once bitten, Twice shy. But I'm still hoping that Ian can deliver on the V~1,.....while I still have my driver's license.:(

[Derwin]

When I began this thread, it was about the Helix-3 tilting scooter. Then the thread went into several other directions with several other vehicles, and it seems we lost our way!

I just went back and took another look at the Helix, and I really like this thing. The BODY of it is really awkward and just plain ugly....and the seat is a complete mess. But I think this thing can be a great seller if we take the concept and run with it. Take a look at them tires......They are huge! I would think that gives this scooter incredible stability. When I compare the China 3-wheel tilter to this one, it just seems like the BASIC make-up of the Helix is better. What do you all think?

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=438&stc=1&d=1212191895

Derwin

[RAN]

From the side angle, it doesn't look bad at all, although that seat has got to go lol. It appears to have real protection against wind and rain.

For me, it would have to have an electric motor, but that's just me. It definitely looks like it's better designed than that other rickety 3-wheeler.

[rogwild]

Yes, I like the 'Helix Concept' much better than the READY MADE Chinese 'mini-trikes', but they are in production. I'm sure this guy would like to get the Helix produced, but if you thought $30,000-$40,000 for the R/C to get produced was too much, you might as well forget about producing one of these; unless you know of some $1-2 mil. in Venture Capital laying around.

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Based on the pictures & videos, this does seem to be the better design. The question is, will the inventor be willing to let us have access to his specs?

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
In the photos of the Chinese trike you see alot of sway and bounce but if you look at the condition of the road, if it can navigate thru all this and stiil remain upright. Again, what would it take to make it safer and wouldn't a proto-type for R&R purposes be a good idea? Like Rogwild said these trikes are in production.

[RAN]

I agree with rog that it's gonna cost a small fortune to develop that Helix trike into a production-ready product, and doing a redesign on the other one will be expensive and iffy at best.

[rogwild]

I guess we can all 'WAIT AROUND" for a Chinese clone of the Helix-3.

The Chinese took the Italian Benilli Adiva (cira 2002):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2002/08/02/emfben03.xml
http://www.gizmag.com/go/1549/
And came out with the Tank Courier, Galaxy, etc. in a couple years.
So maybe we will see a cheap Chinese Helix-3 'clone' by 2010.

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
If you look at Tazmanian Koalas' #18 post, It looks like his brother already went thru the trouble-shoot phase and is now happy with the bike according to Taz. If nothing else, the brother would be a good source for information.

[Derwin]

Well, I just got back from watching the new Indiana Jones movie, and it was terrible....a total joke. I can remember being in High school when the first Indiana Jones movie came out, and it was incredible. Speilberg ended the trilogy very well with the "Last Crusade", and he should have left it that way IMHO.

OK. Now back on-subject... =D

I received an email from the guy who designed the Helix, and he said that he would share information for me, but I would have to sign some kind of confidentiality agreement. What nonsense! ;)

I think your correct, though, that it would take far more money than I have to get that thing into production. I may just purchase one of the Chinese tilting scooters at retail just to fool-around with it. Maybe add bigger tires, and do some other things. Actually, I could create a new thread and post pictures of the entire process. You guys can aid me with suggestions, etc. How does that sound? Maybe we could make something good and sturdy out of that thing!

Derwin

[RAN]

I may just purchase one of the Chinese tilting scooters at retail just to fool-around with it. Maybe add bigger tires, and do some other things. Actually, I could create a new thread and post pictures of the entire process. You guys can aid me with suggestions, etc. How does that sound? Maybe we could make something good and sturdy out of that thing!

Maybe reinforce the springs with bungee cords? =D

[Derwin]

Maybe reinforce the springs with bungee cords? =D


Yeah, bungee cords. That's a great idea. Why didn't I think of that! :eek:

I can sense that you don't like the tilting scooter, and don't think it is worth working on?

The thing does look kind of flimsy, but don't you think there is a way to make it LESS flimsy? Do things like put bigger tires on it, and maybe even try to alter the tilting mechanism. I have no idea. Give me your honest opinion. And give me some good ideas!

Derwin

[Derwin]

I guess I am just sooooo eager, like rogwild, to experience some kind of 3-wheeled tilting vehicle, that I am grasping at straws! Actually, maybe we can modify this little thing to make it a really nice vehicle, and have some fun in the process. But I want input before I go and jump into this.

Hmmm. The more I look at the thing, the more unstable it appears. It just seems way too thin and tall.

Derwin

[rogwild]

I'm not sure that it has any 'tilting' CONTROL at all, except for the driver. From the owner's manual it has some type of 'manual lock' to keep it upright when stopped/parked. The rest of the time it would seem free to 'flop over' if the driver was inattentive, or footing slipped at a stop light. Probably not a major problem (just be careful), but during high winds or 'weak' drivers, it could be challenging.
Looking on the Dutch website, there is a pretty good log of 'problems' (if you 'google translate' into English). Seems the shock/springs are way too weak/flimsy, the light fixtures are not 'water tight', many electrical connections need better protection/insolation, and the battery and supplied battery charger are not adequate.
The Japanese Blog site also has some very nice modifications/improvements that he added.

I think one of these would make a fine 'project' for someone with the expertise and time to work on it. Probably could get a nice little 'around town', inexpensive (especially at 84mpg) vehicle. Messing with the 'tilting mechanism', especially if one ("I have no idea.") is not knowledgeable, could be an accident, waiting to happen.

Derwin, have you found a US dealer for these yet? What is the retail price? Like I said earlier, I'd like a silver one, if the 'delivered to Florida' price was reasonable. It would meet most of my daily 'around town' needs.......the V~1 is starting to look like a very distant option....and gas just keeps going UP!

[Derwin]

I'm not sure that it has any 'tilting' CONTROL at all, except for the driver. From the owner's manual it has some type of 'manual lock' to keep it upright when stopped/parked.

Yeah, it appears there are just springs under the body. But why couldn't we modify this to something more stable? Maybe I could give it to a local shop or something. I'm not sure.

I am talking with a company now about getting a 20' container of these. If I get a good enough price, I will import them. But, roger, I need you to come up with a new name so I can plaster it on the scooter I send you! =D By the way, what would you be willing to spend on a new silver one?

Derwin

[RAN]

I can sense that you don't like the tilting scooter, and don't think it is worth working on?

The thing does look kind of flimsy, but don't you think there is a way to make it LESS flimsy? Do things like put bigger tires on it, and maybe even try to alter the tilting mechanism. I have no idea. Give me your honest opinion.

Derwin, I'm reminded of my old pot smoking days, when I had a little bit of really good stuff, and was tempted to mix it in with average stuff. The rule of thumb then was "you can't make bad pot good, only good pot bad."

Or, in computer terms, GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).

I just think that the build quality is going to be so bad on that thing that you're going to have to basically rebuild it from the ground up. Rog alluded to some of the problems below:


Seems the shock/springs are way too weak/flimsy, the light fixtures are not 'water tight', many electrical connections need better protection/insulation, and the battery and supplied battery charger are not adequate.

Derwin, bear in mind that I'm neither a mechanic nor an engineer. I never really enjoyed working on cars after hitting about 25 years old, and that was a long while ago. That Boxster EV conversion I've been talking about? It ain't gonna be done by me lol. So take my opinions in that vein, and don't let me rain on your parade if you have access to people who are mechanics and engineers.

Rick

[Derwin]

RAN, I appreciate your input. This is why I ask. I am NEVER offended when you speak your mind. And your opinion means a lot to me. Even if your not an engineer, it seems you have a great deal of "common sense" which really is not so common anymore. Your common sense can pull me from "dreaming" and wasting a lot of time and money. Not that I will decide based on your opinion alone, but it still holds a lot of weight with me.

Really, I need the input of as many people as will give it.

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
"TAZ,

I went to your brothers website the other day, and I read about his experience with the vehicle. It seems he resolved all of the issues, and really enjoys the thing, though."

Your words. Can you put a link to the brothers' website to see what problems he overcame and what other information he can give us fro a personal point of view?

[Derwin]

Your words. Can you put a link to the brothers' website to see what problems he overcame and what other information he can give us fro a personal point of view?

Go to this link:

http://vasterman.com/tricycle.htm

He actually explains everything in pretty good detail. You will need to interpret it, though, through babblefish or another service.

Derwin

[rogwild]

That Japanese Vogue Blog site has some nice 'fixes' (including larger wheels/fat rear tires; better shocks/springs) that your 'mechanics' might want to look at. Looks a bit more 'stable' (or at least less whimpy) with the 'fatties'.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.geocities.jp/fza03573/vogue/vogue_top.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2BXY150ZK%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

[Moorpark1]

youThank you all for the info, the more I ,ook at the videos, the more I see that these tilting trikes come closest to the VV1 ideal. They could be great stand-ins untill the real thing comes along.

[rogwild]

Here's another poor quality video (guy also needs some work on the engine):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEYP8XvWVfI

[Derwin]

Very nice links, rog! I really like those "fat" tires on the Vogue. It makes the whole vehicle look better and seem a lot more stable. Very cool!

If you find any other videos of this, please post them. I think I am going to create a special thread just for this vehicle so we can have all the information in one nice, neat place. I may just order a 20' container of these. Moorepark is right, these seem to be a nice little stand-in while waiting for the V1 (Although not to even be SLIGHTLY compared to it, obviously!). This is a scooter, after all!

Derwin

[rogwild]

Moorepark is right, these seem to be a nice little stand-in while waiting for the V1 (Although not to even be SLIGHTLY compared to it, obviously!). This is a scooter, after all!

Derwin

Yes, and our 'gawking' neighbors will realize that we're a 'bit strange' anyway. :confused: When we finally UPGRADE from an 84mpg 'scooter' to a 100mpgE V~1, it will just seem......well, NATURAL.:LOL:

[CelticFlyer]

Rog, that video cracked me up. I especially liked the part where the guy tried to get the thing started. Reminded me of those horror movies where a ghoul is chasing a girl. She jumps on her scooter to get away and cranks the motor...and cranks it some more...and some more...:LOL:

[rogwild]

Yep, not a very good 'advertisement' for the vehicle, especially in a country (Japan or China) where there should be plenty of GOOD 'scooter mechanics' to keep the engines running. =n: I guess he could always do the old trick; get a running start, hop on, then 'pop' the clutch. :LOL: These don't have an alternate 'kick-start' like some models. The Japanese Vogue Forum, has some nice 'engine mods' (including changing carb jets) that should pep these scooters up and make them more reliable. :IDEA: I hear that most engine parts will 'interchange' with Honda 150cc parts (but can't 'confirm' that).=D

[Derwin]

Roger,

You are a great researcher! I don't know how you find all this unique information, but I like it! Do you think it would be a good idea to create a forum within this forum dedicated exclusively to this vehicle? The reason I ask, is because I will be importing them, and I would like a place where people can discuss their vehicle, and the mods that they will be making to it. Or, do you think this should be an entire forum in and of itself, seperate from this website?

Just to let you know, I am working on a new reservation form/site for those interested in getting this vehicle.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Derwin;
Which model will you be importing? The "B" or "C" model? Below are some of the 'differences'.

Model:XY150ZK-B
150cc Motorcycle with EEC EPA & DOT approval
Specifications
Product size: 2160 x 887 x 1800(L x W x H)mm*
Wheelbase: 1650(mm)
Ground Clearance: 110(mm)
Max. Speed: 75(km/h)*
Max. Load: 150.0(kg)*
Piston Displacement: 150CC*
Fuel Capacity:11L*
Started System: electric
Tire Size: 130/90-10-4PR/3.50-10-4PR*
Wheel type: light alloy/light alloy*
Brake Mode: Disk Brake/Drum Brake
Brake Operation Mode:Hand/Foot Brake
Carton size:2280 x 760 x 1300*
Container:30pcs/40'HQ*
N.W./G.W.:160/210kg
http://xingyuesen.com/product_gd.php?id3=2

Model:XY150ZK-C
150cc Motorcycle with EEC EPA & DOT approval
Specifications
Product size: 2198 x 980 x 1767(L x W x H)mm*
Wheelbase: 1650(mm)
Ground Clearance: 110(mm)
Max. Speed: 60(km/h)*
Max. Load: 180(kg)*
Piston Displacement: 149.6ml*
Fuel Capacity:8L*
Started System: electric
Tire Size: fr:130/60-13 re:16×8.0-7.0*
Wheel type: fr:light alloy re:steel*
Brake Mode: Disk Brake/Drum Brake
Brake Operation Mode:Hand/Foot Brake
Carton size:2280 x 850 x 1300*
Container:28pcs/40'HQ*
N.W./G.W.:170/210kg*
http://en.xingyuesen.com/product_gd.php?id3=81

*= differences

It looks like from the pictures that you posted in the "Fly the Road....Now" thread, that the first one (blue) was the "B", the second (orange) was a "C", and the third (silver) might be an owner's vehicle that had the fatter rear tires added.

Also from the 'carton size' vs. the 'product size', it seems that they will arrive without the rear wheels/fenders attached (at a minimum). Do you know how much (and what type) assembly will be required to make them operational. Will buyers get a tested, 'ready-to-ride' scooter, or have to assemble/test them? Any type of warranty or 'satisfaction' guaranty come with the purchase? Just normal questions that buyers usually ask.

[Derwin]

The vehicle that I am importing is: XY150ZK --- EPA with Large Tires. I told them I wanted the vehicles to have the larger tires for better stability. This is one less mod that people will have to make once they get one! I'll be contacting them again tonight to get more details.

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Just a thought, but will you be importing a "testimg" vehicle like we discussed before? If so, It seems that maybe you should'nt have to bear the full expense by youself. You could have a group chip in for the test vehicle and that group would have first dibs on the 1st consignment of vehicles. After testing/truble-shooting/Imprvements, you could give offer a basic model (with any necessary safety modes installed) or a higher priced model with everything on it. The basic could come with an optinal researched upgrade package. Just throwing this out for discussion.

[Mike kZ]

Any idea how much they will be? Do you have to switch gears, or are they auto? I maybe interested, and if it's stable enough for the wife, I maybe interested in 2.
To bad it doesn't come with a 250cc engine.

[Derwin]

Derwin
Just a thought, but will you be importing a "testimg" vehicle like we discussed before?

Actually, I'm importing a few of them. I thought I could sell a couple, and then keep one for our group project. As long as I can get some people to purchase a couple of the other ones, I'll be fine.

It's my opinion that this thing actually has a ton of potential, and it's going to be fun "goosing it up" a little!

Derwin

[Derwin]

Any idea how much they will be? Do you have to switch gears, or are they auto? I maybe interested, and if it's stable enough for the wife, I maybe interested in 2.
To bad it doesn't come with a 250cc engine.

These will be selling for a very reasonable $2995 plus around $150 shipping. They are automatic....no need to switch gears. I will definately be talking to the factory about making some exclusive models with a 250cc engine in them, but this is down the road.

I am working on a new website that will be devoted exclusively to this vehicle. It will be located at:

www.FlyTheRoadNow.com (http://www.FlyTheRoadNow.com)

I just registered the name, and am currently developing the website, so you won't see much there right now.

Derwin

[rogwild]

If they have to be 'user assembled'; I hope that they come with a detailed step-by-step guide (more complete than the 'User's Manual'). If not, perhaps Derwin could develop a "From opening the box"......"To driving OFF" checklist (including tools required); complete with photos, when he "Opens the first container".

[Derwin]

Rog, I'll not only be putting together a nice colorful book loaded with step by step instructions and photographs, but I am thinking about actually creating a short video if it is necessary.

Derwin

[Derwin]

RAN, I know you stated that you want to rid yourself of any vehicle with an ICE, and wanted to go all out with EV's.

Well, what is your opinion about somehow making an EV out of this Vogue? Or, trying to make a hybrid out of it somehow. :IDEA:

Do you even think it would be worth-while? =y: =n: yes? no? maybe?

Here's a pic of a mold created of this vehicle:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=458&stc=1&d=1212608258

See the tiny mold at the bottom of the picture? Hey, maybe we can work on an r/c version?

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Is the Pre-registration list going to be in the http://www.flytheroadnow.com/ website or is it some where else? If so, is there a link?

[Derwin]

Yes. All information about this vehicle, as well as an OFFICIAL Pre-Registration Form, will be located at the new website www.FlyTheRoadNow.com

That website is still being developed, so you won't see much there now. But I'll let everybody know when it's up and running.

Derwin

[TazmanianKoala]

Hi.
I first want to make my apologies for my absence the last couple of days.
My brother bought the Vogue as a kit and assembled it himself. The first thing he noticed was that not all body panels had a tight fit. He decided to replace all nuts and bolts with larger ones.
During the use he mainly experienced electrical problems of all kinds with his Vogue Trike. Nearly each connection in the electrical system has become loose. He changed all of them. It seems the Chinese used connectors of very poor quality.
Also the sealing of the headlights is very poor. He also exchanged the on board battery for a larger one and the power converter was also replaced.

I will ask him to provide me more details, so I can update you also.

[Derwin]

I will ask him to provide me more details, so I can update you also.

Hello! Good to hear from you.

When did your brother purchase his vehicle? I went to your brothers site, and I translated all of the information and read it. Your brother seems to enjoy his Vogue very much, and I would say that from appearances...he even treasures it!

I would like to talk with you and/or your brother about the various aspects of this vehicle. As you know, I am importing many units here to the Chicagoland area, and would be very grateful for any help that you can provide in regards to the modifications made.

When I was speaking with the Manufacturer in China, I mentioned the few problems that your brother had. They told me that those problems have been addressed in all new models. This is why I would like to know when your brother ordered his....or what year was the one he ordered.

If you can, please call me, or contact me at my personal email: dbeushausen@gmail.com

All in all, though, I think this vehicle is pretty nice.

Derwin

[WarpedOne]

Well, what is your opinion about somehow making an EV out of this Vogue? Or, trying to make a hybrid out of it somehowMaybe you could start with automatic engine shutoff system?
When you stop it to standstill the ICE stops, when you turn the handle the engine automatically starts and you drive off.

I suspect the engine does not have electronic injection so you could add some sensors and electronics to cut the full line when it is turning "to fast" (going freely downhill etc).

There is absolutely no need for ICE to run and burn fuel when you are standing at red lights , driving downhill or "gliding" toward the stop.

Such additions would have very high price/performance ratio.

Edit: A gauge showing current and average consumption rate would be awesome. This is the best teacher when it comes to learning how to drive to save fuel.

[TazmanianKoala]

My brother is still enjoying his trike very much.
He bought the trike in mid 2007 (june or july) and then assembled it. It was ordered via a Belgian reseller / importer.
I already sent him a mail to provide me with lots of information. I will even try to convince him to sign up for this forum.

A little while ago he even sent me a link to an all electric version (http://www.ecvv.com/product/vp927811/China-motocycle-QH500DM-T.html) of the Vogue Tricyle. On that website are many more electric vehicles.

[Derwin]

A little while ago he even sent me a link to an all electric version (http://www.ecvv.com/product/vp927811/China-motocycle-QH500DM-T.html) of the Vogue Tricyle. On that website are many more electric vehicles.

All electric? =D Wow! This is fantastic. Thanks for the link. The only problem, though, with the all electric is that it can only go 50 km, or 31 miles maximum per charge.

Can you also ask your brother if I can use his photos. I think the photo's that he took are simply fantastic. I would really like to discuss some things with him in regards to the vehicle.

Derwin

[TazmanianKoala]

Derwin, I've sent my brother another mail. But I think he is already asleep. It's now 11:30 PM local time. I'm lucky that I do not need much sleep. As soon as he answers tomorrow, I will post his message. Probably that will be a personal message to you only.=y:

[Derwin]

For those interested, I've uploaded a photo album FILLED with various photo's of the new V1....I mean the VogueOne! Here's the link:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/album.php?u=1

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Your webpage keeps telling me that I do not have permission to access your link. Why?

[Derwin]

Derwin
Your webpage keeps telling me that I do not have permission to access your link. Why?


What website? The www.FlyTheRoadNow.com (http://www.FlyTheRoadNow.com) site? ANYBODY should be able to access that website. It is on the world-wide web. You don't need any special permissions or anything to access it.

Are you talking about the new photo album that I created? Anybody SHOULD be able to access it, but if you can't let me know.

Right now I'm not sure exactly what your not able to access.

Derwin

[AKP23]

Derwin, like Moorpark1, I clicked on your link and was told I did not have access privilege. =n:

[Derwin]

So, just to be sure I understand.....You are talking about the new photo gallery for the VogueOne, correct? This link...

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/album.php?u=1

You should be able to access that photo gallery. I don't really understand. Please try it again, and let me know if it still is not allowing you in. Thanks.

Derwin

[rogwild]

I just tried also to view the photo album and got:

"rogwild, you do not have permission to access this page. "

[CelticFlyer]

I couldn't see the pix either. =n:

[Derwin]

O.K. I THINK I may know what the problem is. I created a new "social group" and set up a photo album in there. All that I can think is that you need to join that group in order to see the album. Although, I set the group up as a "public" group, so it should be accessible by everyone.

Anyway, try joining this social group, and then let me know what happens:

The VogueOne (V1) Social Group

Derwin

[rogwild]

All electric? =D Wow! This is fantastic. Thanks for the link. The only problem, though, with the all electric is that it can only go 50 km, or 31 miles maximum per charge. Derwin

Also the "Maximum payload mass: 90kg" would not allow a standard American male to drive one, much less take a passenger..... AND.......
the single 500W motor (my Zooom has a 1500W hub motor) will only get "Maximum speed: 20km/h" = 12.4mph!!!!! This would NOT be allowed on most of the streets in our city.

Guess the Vouge-E (as is) isn't quite ready for 'prime-time' USA EV operation. BUT with the advances in performance (and reductions in weight & cost) of Batteries and Ultracaps, this might make a good candidate for a 'conversion' in a year of so. Nice, small EV project.

[rogwild]

How does one go about 'joining' a Social Group?

I clicked on "The VogueOne (V1) Social Group", but it was not a 'link'. Where are 'social groups' located?

[Derwin]

Well, I am now truly puzzled about this photo album mystery. I just created a new username "derwin/test", and I attempted to view the album, and I got the same message you guys are getting. So, I then thought maybe you needed to join the "social group" in order to see the album. I did that with my test username, but still was unable to see it. I am at a TOTAL LOSS as to what the problem is!

It could be that I set up the album in the wrong way or something. So I'm going to delete it, and then create it all over again. It so happens that Adam was making some upgrades on the site at just about the time I created the album, so maybe that has something to do with it. Hey, when all else fails, blame someone else, right! =D ...No, Just kidding! I probably screwed something up, as usual! :eek:

Derwin

[Derwin]

O.K. Now we're cookin' with oil! I just re-configured everything, and then tested it with my dummy member, and everything showed up perfectly.

To view the VogueOne Photo Album, simply click on the link below:

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/group.php?do=grouppictures&groupid=4

Thanks for your patience.

Derwin

[Derwin]

How does one go about 'joining' a Social Group?

I clicked on "The VogueOne (V1) Social Group", but it was not a 'link'. Where are 'social groups' located?


To join a social group, simply go to your "user cp" (control panel) and look to the left column. You will see a link that says "social groups". Click on that link, and then you will see all of the social groups that you are currently a member of, as well as all the social groups that are available.

You will see the VogueOne social group link. Click on it. Then when you are on the page that shows it, scroll down to the bottom, and you will see a link that says "join social group". Just click on that, and your a part of that group!

For those that don't know.....As a member of this club, you are free to begin your own private or public social groups. Invite others to join your social groups, and create photo albums within those groups. It is an excellent new feature that this new upgrade has given us.

Derwin

[RAN]

I just got here, but it worked fine for me ;-)

[Derwin]

Well, it's almost midnight here in Chicago, and I just got off the phone with the company in China, Xingyue. They sent me an invoice for the container of Vogue Scooters yesterday, and I was to send them a bank transfer today, but never got around to it. Boy, am I glad I was busy! It turns out after talking to them just now, that the ones that they were going to send me were the "C" model, which only go around 21 miles per hour! I was completely and utterly shocked. The other models were far too expensive, at least for me. After shipping, import fees, custom fees, and taxes, I would be lucky to brake even. Needless to say, I think it's a no-go. And I wasted that money on a nice domain name! :mad:

I'll tell you what. I have Roger to thank. If he did not mention the A,B,C discrepancy in one of his posts, I would never have even thought to ask her about it. You saved me BIG-TIME, roger! Thanks. =y:

I am just so mad at myself for not figuring it out. I am actually embarrassed about this near-miss. :o

Well, I think it's time for this thread to die a calm, silent death now. :(

Derwin

[rogwild]

Well I just joined the 'Social Group'; still got error msg.
Logged out, back in, checked & I'm a member of group, but still got error msg when clicking on 'link' in Derwin's post.

[Moorpark1]

Nope,
Joined the Vouge Social Group and am still getting the same "can't access" notice

[Derwin]

Roger, Click on this link: http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/group.php?do=grouppictures&groupid=4

It should take you to the social group album.

Derwin

[rogwild]

I just did, and still got;
"rogwild, you do not have permission to access this page."

[derwin/test]

Yep, your right. I just tried to do it with this dummy test user that I created, and it gave me that message. Hmmm. That is strange, because I tested this out earlier, and it worked. Since I can access it with my NORMAL username, and RAN can access it, then it must be that only admins are being given access, which is NOT how it should be. There must be a glitch in the system that need fixing, or a setting that is not right.


Derwin

[Derwin]

There. Everything SHOULD be working now. I just changed a few settings, and then logged back in with my test name, and it worked.

Somebody test this out for me to be sure......Go to your "user cp" and then look to the left box. Does it have a link that says "social groups" and "albums"??? If it does, then I think we have it made! Click on the social groups and then go and see if you can find the albums in the social group.

Also, just for your information, when you click on the albums link to the left, you will be able to create your own albums.

O.K., now, please go test this out, and post here what the results were. Everything should be fine. I appreciate your help.

Derwin

[Derwin]

Update! I just got off the phone, again, with Caroline from Xingue company. Now she is telling me that the top speed is around 65km/h, which translates to around 40 or so miles per hour.

My question is this.......Do you think this is sufficiant? I don't think so, myself.

I think I will definately hold off on this until I hear from the man that actually owned one, and still drives it around.

Anyway, that's the latest. Sorry for all the drama! :eek:

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Your album link works just fine now. In regards to your post #142 about a quiet and to me a premature death, e-Bay sell a similar non-tilting trike three-wheeler with a top speed of 40-50 mph. eBay Motors: Moped (item 350065670376 end time Jun-09-08 16:30:15 PDT). If you pass the added cost to the consumers (Us) what would be the approx. cost for for a viable Vouge? I like this little vehicle and don't want to let it go unless it becomes an insurmountable task ( a new Yamaha Morpheus goes for 5000.00).

[Derwin]

Derwin
Your album link works just fine now. In regards to your post #142 about a quiet and to me a premature death, e-Bay sell a similar non-tilting trike three-wheeler with a top speed of 40-50 mph. eBay Motors: Moped (item 350065670376 end time Jun-09-08 16:30:15 PDT). If you pass the added cost to the consumers (Us) what would be the approx. cost for for a viable Vouge? I like this little vehicle and don't want to let it go unless it becomes an insurmountable task ( a new Yamaha Morpheus goes for 5000.00).

I just took a look at that item on ebay, and it is the exact item that we are talking about in this thread. They are asking $3299 buy it now. Plus you have to add shipping and handling to that. That sounds about right for this scooter/vehicle. If they say that it will get 45 to 50mph, than that is pretty good, but still not what I thought......around 65mph.

Anyway, I will continue to talk with them. If you really want to commit to buying one, I'll be happy to import a few, and send you one when they arrive. Then I guess we can use one to "experiment" on as a group!

Derwin

[rogwild]

'Moorpark1'; this appears to be the XY150ZK-"C" model. It has the smaller fuel tank, steel rear wheels and is a bit heavier than the "B". And it IS a 'tilter'.

40-50 mph is fine for me, since the the max speed limit for the errands I'd run around town is 45 MPH (most 35-40). I'm also sure that with a few 'tweaks' from the Japanese Forum (different carb jets, different air cleaner, etc.) we could probably get an extra 5-10mph, but I want it for the MPG not the MPH!

I'm 'watching' the one on eBay to see what it goes for. Didn't see 'how many' he had or what colors. This might be a way to sell any 'excess' scooters that club members don't want.

[Derwin]

O.K. Just received my final communication from the company in China. Here are the EXACT specifications for this vehicle:

Wheelbase: 1650(mm)
Ground Clearance: 110(mm)
Max. Speed: 45 to 50 mph
Max. Load: 150.0(kg)
Piston Displacement: 150CC
Fuel Capacity:6L
Started System: electric
Tire Size: 130/60-13/110/92-10（130/60-13/16/8-7）
Wheel type: light alloy/light alloy
Brake Mode: Disk Brake/Drum Brake
Brake Operation Mode: Hand/Foot Brake
Product size: 2160 x 825 x 1780/2160 x 887 x 1800 (L x W x H) mm
Carton size: 2280 x 760x 1300 mm/2280 x 850 x 1300 mm
Container: 7pcs/20’GP 30pcs/40’HQ or 6pcs/20’GP 28pcs/40’HQ

Please let me know if this is what you are looking for, and if you think I should import a few of them. Give me the green light, and I'll do it based on your word. If you want to call me, my number is 815-315-0321, or you can just email me at dbeushausen@gmail.com

That's it, folks. It's after 1 a.m now, and I'm going to sleep!

[Derwin]

It seems there was a bit of confusion, most probably on MY part. But after spending half the night on the phone with them, I got everything clear and straightened-out. So, the actual specifications for this vehicle are posted above.

I am going today to transfer the funds from my bank to the company in China. I suppose it will take them about a week to prepare my shipment, and take it to the port. Then it takes about 3 weeks (give or take a few days) for this shipment to go over the Ocean and then be trucked to Chicago. Then (Lord willing and the creek don't rise!), we should have the shipment in around 30 days. Hopefully our wonderful Department of Homeland Security will not freeze this shipment for inspection like they did the last shipment that I imported from China.

So that's it, fella's. I'm still working on the website www.FlyTheRoadNow.com , and it should be completed in 1 or 2 weeks.

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
I am with Rogwild, 40 to 50 mph is all I need to get around town but before you rush off and start ordering (It sometimes seems that you have two speeds Derwin, Full Speed & Dead Stop..heh!) can we have some price, shipping & assembly requirement details?

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Based on your post, it should be approx. two months waiting time which should be more than enough to get my financing in order (much better than a two year waiting period).
Thanks again for your tremendous effort on our behalf.

[Derwin]

Derwin
I am with Rogwild, 40 to 50 mph is all I need to get around town but before you rush off and start ordering (It sometimes seems that you have two speeds Derwin, Full Speed & Dead Stop..heh!) can we have some price, shipping & assembly requirement details?

Full speed or Dead stop? Yep, that's me! =D I really should not have posted what I did yesterday. It was all a terrible mistake due to confusion about what they were telling me. But everything is all clear now, and ready to go.

The price for this (for members of this club only!) will be $2995 plus around $150 to $200 shipping. They will arrive crated and needing some assembly. But it's not a big deal at all, and I will be putting together step by step instruction on what needs to be done. I may even put a video together, and post it online.

So, now it's back to "full-speed" mode! :cool:

Derwin

[Mike kZ]

So is this the B or C model? 6L tank, is only 1 gal!

[Derwin]

So is this the B or C model? 6L tank, is only 1 gal!


Actually, 6 liters is 1.585 gallons....about a gallon and a half. So, if these get around 70 to 80 mpg as the manufacturer states, than you would be able to go 140 to 160 miles before needing to refuel. That's pretty good for a vehicle to bounce around town in.

This is the C model, but with the specifications shown above. So don't go by anything else except what you read in the post above. Those are the exact specifications for this vehicle that is being imported.

Derwin

[Mike kZ]

Oh, ok, that's not too bad then.

What colors are you getting? I'll take on Orange one to test out. If the wife and I like it, we'll buy another one.

[rogwild]

Derwin;
Which model will you be importing? The "B" or "C" model? Below are some of the 'differences'.

Model:XY150ZK-B
150cc Motorcycle with EEC EPA & DOT approval
Specifications
Product size: 2160 x 887 x 1800(L x W x H)mm*
Wheelbase: 1650(mm)
Ground Clearance: 110(mm)
Max. Speed: 75(km/h)*
Max. Load: 150.0(kg)*
Piston Displacement: 150CC*
Fuel Capacity:11L*
Started System: electric
Tire Size: 130/90-10-4PR/3.50-10-4PR*
Wheel type: light alloy/light alloy*
Brake Mode: Disk Brake/Drum Brake
Brake Operation Mode:Hand/Foot Brake
Carton size:2280 x 760 x 1300*
Container:30pcs/40'HQ*
N.W./G.W.:160/210kg
http://xingyuesen.com/product_gd.php?id3=2

Model:XY150ZK-C
150cc Motorcycle with EEC EPA & DOT approval
Specifications
Product size: 2198 x 980 x 1767(L x W x H)mm*
Wheelbase: 1650(mm)
Ground Clearance: 110(mm)
Max. Speed: 60(km/h)*
Max. Load: 180(kg)*
Piston Displacement: 149.6ml*
Fuel Capacity:8L*
Started System: electric
Tire Size: fr:130/60-13 re:16×8.0-7.0*
Wheel type: fr:light alloy re:steel*
Brake Mode: Disk Brake/Drum Brake
Brake Operation Mode:Hand/Foot Brake
Carton size:2280 x 850 x 1300*
Container:28pcs/40'HQ*
N.W./G.W.:170/210kg*
http://en.xingyuesen.com/product_gd.php?id3=81

*= differences

It looks like from the pictures that you posted in the "Fly the Road....Now" thread, that the first one (blue) was the "B", the second (orange) was a "C", and the third (silver) might be an owner's vehicle that had the fatter rear tires added.

Also from the 'carton size' vs. the 'product size', it seems that they will arrive without the rear wheels/fenders attached (at a minimum). Do you know how much (and what type) assembly will be required to make them operational. Will buyers get a tested, 'ready-to-ride' scooter, or have to assemble/test them? Any type of warranty or 'satisfaction' guaranty come with the purchase? Just normal questions that buyers usually ask.

Derwin; Are you getting these from, China XingYue Group
http://xingyueshen.com
Some of the figures they gave you do not match 'exactly' those listed on their website. Wonder if there was a change on their part, or a 'misprint' somewhere.

Derwin's import; Vogue v1

Wheelbase: 1650(mm)
Ground Clearance: 110(mm)
Max. Speed: 45 to 50 mph
Max. Load: 150.0(kg)
Piston Displacement: 150CC
Fuel Capacity:6L
Started System: electric
Tire Size: 130/60-13/110/92-10（130/60-13/16/8-7）
Wheel type: light alloy/light alloy
Brake Mode: Disk Brake/Drum Brake
Brake Operation Mode: Hand/Foot Brake
Product size: 2160 x 825 x 1780/2160 x 887 x 1800 (L x W x H) mm
Carton size: 2280 x 760x 1300 mm/2280 x 850 x 1300 mm
Container: 7pcs/20’GP 30pcs/40’HQ or 6pcs/20’GP 28pcs/40’HQ

Why are TWO different (although similar) carton/product sizes listed? Are you getting two different vehicles? I'm not too sure what all the 'tire numbers' mean. Could someone break this down into easy terms like Wheel diameter, tire width/thickness, etc. for the front and rear?
The above 'specs' (max speed, payload, alloy wheels) would seem that this model is closer to their "B" than the "C". The 6L fuel capacity has me puzzled since their "B" = 11L and their "C" = 8L. Wonder why they went to a smaller tank? (not a major problem, since I always keep a couple gallons at home for the mower/trimmer/etc.)
Will there be any 'factory/dealer' warranty? I don't need another piece of 'non-working' equipment filling up the garage.
This is a 'cute' little vehicle (in a 'nerdy' way) but sort of 'untried and tested' in the US. I wonder if that guy on eBay has sold any others and could provide 'references' that would provide their experiences. We could invite them to join the FTRC and share with us. Perhaps even get them into the 'Social Group' to share thoughs, mods, and problems.

[Derwin]

Derwin; Are you getting these from, China XingYue Group
http://xingyueshen.com
Some of the figures they gave you do not match 'exactly' those listed on their website. Wonder if there was a change on their part, or a 'misprint' somewhere.

There are no misprints. Please don't pay any attention to what you are getting on ANY other website, even their company website. Sometimes they just don't update them, and you are looking at outdated information.

That is why I stated in my previous post...


This is the C model, but with the specifications shown above. So don't go by anything else except what you read in the post above. Those are the exact specifications for this vehicle that is being imported.

As far as the container size...I don't know. But it really is not a major concern as long as we know what the exact specifications of the vehicle are. Others selling scooters, and even the guy selling this scooter/vehicle, offer a 30 day warranty. I think that is normal. But the good thing is that we know the manufacturer, and will be able to get any kind of replacement parts or other items if we ever need them

Derwin

[CelticFlyer]

Forgive me if this has been answered before, but are these things legal for use in the U.S.? Do you need a motorcycle license? Do you need plates for it? What about insurance? How expensive will it be to ship it to us? Would you drop-ship it? I recently spent $150 shipping a small pallet of posters to Jersey from California. I would think a scooter might cost quite a bit more!

I'm probably going to opt out anyway; I think any resources I devote to another vehicle is money taken away from buying a V1 (as in VentureOne), and I simply don't have the luxury of having excess cash lying around! If I do get something in the meanwhile, it would be a VW Rabbit, something I'd keep in addition to a V1. I wouldn't see the point of having a V1 and a "Vogue 1" as you call it. It would probably never see any use once I took possession of a V1 (again, as in VentureOne).

The only reason I ask these questions is if anyone else has been curious but has not raised them before.

[Derwin]

Yeah, I hear what your saying, Celtic! Once the VentureOne comes out, this VogueOne will be going on ebay...........Super Fast! =y:

Yes, they are legal for U.S. roads. You need a M license. You need a plate for it. The insurance would probably run about $100 bucks a year for liability. I only pay $75 a year through Progressive for the thing I have now, but I have a clean record! ;)

Basically, this is like owning a motorcycle, except a lot more strange! :eek: This will get you noticed riding down the street!

I like it because it gives a taste, albeit a tiny, tiny taste, of what it will be like to ride a 3-wheeled vehicle that tilts. I think it will be a hoot! But, your right, when the V1 comes out, this thing will be sold in a heart-beat!

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Celtic
Derwin has answered most of those question several postings up. The thing to remember is that the V1 looks to become a reality(maybe) 2 years from now, I need an extra vehicle now and if it has the tilting factor and great gas mileage so much the better!

[CelticFlyer]

Thanks for the quick reply, Derwin. And you're both absolutely correct, the Vogue1 will be a welcome addition to anyone's stable. You certainly can't beat the price! ;)

[Derwin]

Again, for those that haven't seen it, here's a nice little video of the new VogueOne:

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Yep....It is Corny looking! But I guess this is the kind of vehicle for people that enjoy being different!..... Like Me! :eek:

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
http://www.usawholesalescooters.com/
Tri-wheeled vehicles and scooters galore at this site, but the posted information is very vauge. It looks like they have the Vouge (called the Tri-fecta) and the Galaxy in their inventory. If we hit another stone wall on the Vouge, can we get any more info on the Galaxy as backup?

[Derwin]

I know about that company. They have many scooters, as well as other fun items. But they do NOT have any VogueOne's. I know they show them pictured, but they have NONE in stock....I know this because I was doing a little spying on them to see what they were retailing for! They said that they have none, and don't know when anymore will be coming in.

As for the price, it seems that the going price for these is between $2900 to $4500 depending on who is selling them.

As far as stone walls.....We will not be hitting anymore of those! This morning I had my bank wire the company in China the money for the shipment of these. So, they will be on their way to us shortly!

The galaxy is a really nice scooter also, and that's a future option. I may add them to our inventory sometime in the future. Just be sure to keep checking my new website..

www.FlyTheRoadNow.com

I should have it completed within the nest couple weeks.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Actually, 6 liters is 1.585 gallons....about a gallon and a half. So, if these get around 70 to 80 mpg as the manufacturer states, than you would be able to go 140 to 160 miles before needing to refuel. That's pretty good for a vehicle to bounce around town in.
Derwin

If this is; "I just took a look at that item on ebay, and it is the exact item that we are talking about in this thread. ".........
The guy on eBay said;
"Q:what is the MPG on this?
Answered on Jun-04-08
A:50 to 65 mpg, thanks for looking!!"

I don't know how he determined this, or if this is just a WAG (Wild A$$ Guess), but it is a bit different than 84mpg on another site. Do we know of any ACTUAL mileage figures on this thing? Good gas mileage is the MAJOR reason I would get one.

Also the $150-200 figure for shipping; has this been 'researched' for the size/weight container (what shipping company) and for what distance; or is it just a guess? From Romeoville, IL to my home in FL is 936 miles.

[Derwin]

Those are all good questions, rog. I seen the Q&A on the ebay auction as well, and noticed the the mpg answer. All I can say is that it must be a WAG on the part of the seller. The manufacturer states that this should get anywhere from 70mpg to 90mpg based on many varying factors. That's pretty good mileage if it is true. I guess we can get VERY accurate numbers from tasmans brother, who owns one. Hopefully he will be posting some stuff pretty soon.

The shipping figure I gave is pretty much just a WAG on my part! But it is based on a lot of experience shipping large items around the country. I'll get more accurate figures when the site is up, and I put up the reservation form.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Thanks, Derwin, I saw other scooter sites that were saying 80+ (that suits me FINE). I just want to 'nail down' all the expenses before I place my order (make sure there is a SILVER one). I have an old grey fighter helmet w/O2 mask, silver rainsuit/'flight',....should make a great picture! But my normal 'uniform' will probably be shorts, sandals, and a sun visor (my motorcycle safety instructor would 'kill' me, if the traffic doesn't).

[rogwild]

Here are some 'shipping quotes' from the eBay scooter from NJ to my house:

Express Auto Transport $495 P806058780 800-209-5042 8am-10pm EST
Allied/Federal Motorcycle Transport $597 E00434479 877-847-4695
HAULBIKES $720 eb889161 1-888-HAUL-BIKES

Looks like $150-200 MIGHT be on the 'low side'.
I wonder if the 'standards', FedEX, UPS, DHL, etc. would be 'higher/lower'; anyone know?
Looks like it may be a major expense consideration.

[Moorpark1]

If you check all the sites that sell scooters on-line, the price to ship crated and not assembled scooters, runs from 150 to 250.

[robcole84]

Hey, just wanted to ask a few questions... I think I'm interested but I want to know a couple things first...

How does this lean? Surely not hydraulics!?!

How stable is it at high speeds and what is the max? Looks like its too narrow to be stable in turns to me.

Has there been any reviews? I cant find anyone's impressions which would be key to me buying.

Are the body panels metal or plastic?

How much gas / range can I get?

Sorry if these questions have been asked, there are 18 pages and I have tried reading most but the specs going back and forth has me confused a bit. I would use this to hold me over for a while till the V1 comes out, but I have a 40 mile commute one way, most of the roads are 55 but there is an alternate route i can take that is only 35 for most of my trip. How well would this hold up with constant driving and many miles is my biggest concern.

[rogwild]

If you check all the sites that sell scooters on-line, the price to ship crated and not assembled scooters, runs from 150 to 250.

Thanks, hopefully, Derwin will be able to set something up to get them to us for those prices.

[Derwin]

Hey, just wanted to ask a few questions... I think I'm interested but I want to know a couple things first...

How does this lean? Surely not hydraulics!?!

It has a spring-loaded system.


How stable is it at high speeds and what is the max? Looks like its too narrow to be stable in turns to me.

This is not made to go at super fast speeds. Basically, if you need something for just around town, this should do fine at around 35 to 50mph maximum.


Has there been any reviews? I cant find anyone's impressions which would be key to me buying.

I am in communication with Manfred Vasterman. He has owned one for about a year now. He has run into some problems with the panels and such, but seems to really still enjoy it. I will be posting many of his comments very soon.


Are the body panels metal or plastic?

The panels are made of a hard plastic. Honda scooters and other very expensive scooters are also made with this material. My neighbor just paid $6000 for a Honda scooter, and it had plastic panels and a plastic body.


How much gas / range can I get?

This should get around 70mpg to 90mpg according to the manufacturer.


I have a 40 mile commute one way, most of the roads are 55 but there is an alternate route i can take that is only 35 for most of my trip. How well would this hold up with constant driving and many miles is my biggest concern.

This vehicle would be the perfect means of transportation if you took the "alternate route" to get to work. I personally would not take this on a 55mph highway, since most people are going 65 and 70mph on them. It might get a little dangerous!

Hope this helps.

Derwin

[Derwin]

Thanks, hopefully, Derwin will be able to set something up to get them to us for those prices.

I guarantee that the VERY BEST/LOWEST price on shipping will be used, so you don't have to worry about that.

Well I placed the order and paid for the import of the Vogue Vehicles. Now it's just a waiting game. Just so you know......I have only the 1 Silver coming (Presumably for Roger), and the rest are black. If everybody orders as they said they would, then I am already sold out! Many friends of mine have expressed interest in getting one for bopping around town. Hmmm....I may be placing another order before this first order even arrives!

Again, the new website will be up and running within the next 2 weeks. You can visit it here:

www.FlyTheRoadNow.com (http://www.FlyTheRoadNow.com)

ANNOUNCEMENT:
I will be leaving on the Beushausen Annual Fishing Trip this coming Saturday, and I won't be back until June 15th. Please take care of the place while I'm gone!

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
I was going to order the silver one too but would settle for the black one, this may not be the case for everyone. I think this a point where it might of have been best to consult with everyone.

[Derwin]

Derwin
I was going to order the silver one too but would settle for the black one, this may not be the case for everyone. I think this a point where it might of have been best to consult with everyone.


I read your post, and called the factory. I just spoke with Caroline, and she told me she would put 1 more Silver color in the order. Luckily, it is early enough to change things! Now we have a 30 day waiting game!

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Thanks Derwin

[Derwin]

I found another video of our VogueOne, but the quality is not that great. When we get our shipment in, one of the first things we will do is create some great quality video's. Anyway, here's the new one I found:

jm4ZMKnQGPE

[rogwild]

Good find Derwin, keep 'up coming....till we have our own v1's to play with. Then WE can flood YouTube with our own VogueOne Videos.

Also the round 'Xingyue Motor' logos on both sides and the rear trunk could be replaced with something the same size/shape, but less 'commercial'; ie. yellow reflectors for the sides and maybe a red reflector for the trunk. Maybe even a 'Club Logo' for a "VogueOne Club" or even an advertisement for Derwin's "FlyTheRoadNow.com". The Japanese Blog did some changes. Any ideas?

[Derwin]

Rog, you have some good ideas, there! I am very interested in the site that you found. Is there a way you can accumulate all of the mods they made on this vehicle over at the Japanese site? I would love to post all of that stuff in our VogueOne social group. This would be great for those of us who will be owning one.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Here is the URL (google translation) again:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.geocities.jp/fza03573/vogue/vogue_top.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2BXY150ZK%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Way too much information for me to digest/translate/transfer to our 'Social Group'. The 'google translation' from the Japanese leaves a lot of questions. Perhaps we could let interested people that are knowledgeable in a certain area; engines, brakes, electronics, etc. take an individual mod related to their expertise (or mod they are doing to their own VogueOne, v1), use the photos on the site and provide their own 'narrative' in English of what they believe is being done. I'll see if I can locate a 'simple mod' that I understand; and see what I can do to get started. OK?

[Derwin]

I'll see if I can locate a 'simple mod' that I understand; and see what I can do to get started. OK?


Sounds like a plan, rog. I know we'll be doing a lot of mods ourselves, and posting them to the social group. But I would like to know what people have already done. I'm going to take a good look at that Japanese site when I get back from my trip.

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
My brother-in-law has also expressed interest in the Vouge , what is your policy for bringing other people on board and will special pricing be extended to them? By the way, as someone suggested, some type of decal on the side of the VougeOnes with say "FyTheRoadNow.com by Beushausen Alternate Transport Enterprises" printed on them... would be great publicity.

[Derwin]

Moorepark1, Ask your brother to join the club. I think Rogwild will be creating a new forum/threads dedicated exclusively to the VogueOne. This new forum will have various threads in it regarding different aspects of the VogueOne and ownership. I don't really know if I have anymore vehicles available in this first shipment, though. If everybody actually orders one that have SAID they are ordering, then I am already sold out! But I will definitely be placing another order for them after the first shipment arrives. This time I may place an order for a 40' container, but I'm not sure just yet.

Let's get these first vehicles in, and see how they are first. I want you, and others to actually get a feel for it, and then we can begin discussing it in the forum. Once we see that it is a good and reliable vehicle, and know some things about it, then I will go ahead and place another order with the factory.

Hey, I like the name idea! So, my acronym will be B.A.T.E.? Actually, I think I like it, except I would take the "enterprises" off the end. Probably Beushausen Alternate Transport is best..... B.A.T. Wait a minute...I really like that! You may have just won the little contest I was having. Stay tuned!

Derwin

[Derwin]

Just wanted to let you all know that I just received a WEALTH of additional information about our VogueOne vehicle. I will be sharing it all, along with a boat load of really nice photo's, when I get back from my fishing trip. Very exciting stuff!


http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=467&stc=1&d=1212808907

Nice storage area, eh? More to come later.


Derwin

[johnhead]

Derwin,
Thanks for the info. I too am interested. Let me know when you nail down a more "firm" answer on the Cost. ( Budget,Budget, Butget) =y:I live in WESTERN NY. I do my own repairs..Thank You...
This looks too cool and would fit perfectly into my 5 mile drive to work!
John

[Derwin]

johnhead,

The firm price on the VogueOne vehicle will be $2995 plus shipping. This is the exclusive price for members of this club only. Others wanting them will pay a bit more which will be added on to shipping and handling. Members will be charged NO "handling" fee, just actual shipping cost. I set up a new website that is still being developed:

www.FlyTheRoadNow.com

There's not much there yet, but I should have it completed within the next 2 weeks or so. I have imported a container load of these in, and should be receiving them in around 30 days or so. But it seems those are already spoken for by people that want them. I will be placing another order for import after my initial order arrives, and you can get one from that shipment if you want. The website will have an "Official Reservation Form" on it where you can reserve one from the next shipment. I'll let everybody know when that form is up and ready.

Well, in about 40 minutes I'm heading out on the annual fishing trip. Won't be back until June 15th. Wish me luck!

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

Derwin
Good luck in your fishing and I hope you catch the big one that did'nt get away. If you have time look at the video of the orange Vouge and check ou the sub-video for the Italia Jet Scoop.

[RAN]

I know Derwin's probably out on the road already, but, rog, or anyone, do you know how many Vogues are in the container? Just curious.

[WarpedOne]

Here's another mod idea:

It seems this thing is a two seater. The backrest could be moved forward for about 10 inches and almost double the cargo space. This would also increase the comfort as the driver could then lean back a little while driving. It would also reduce the turbulences behind the driver and increase the mpg at higher speeds.

Maybe it could be done in a way so the backrest is adaptable - if need be, you could put it back in its original position and take a passenger.

As I'm from Europe, I don't get to play this game :(

[rogwild]

Here's another mod idea:

It seems this thing is a two seater. The backrest could be moved forward for about 10 inches and almost double the cargo space. This would also increase the comfort as the driver could then lean back a little while driving. It would also reduce the turbulences behind the driver and increase the mpg at higher speeds.

Maybe it could be done in a way so the backrest is adaptable - if need be, you could put it back in its original position and take a passenger.

As I'm from Europe, I don't get to play this game :(

Why not, WarpedOne, if you are talking about the Vogue Scooter, it seems that these things have already been imported to Europe (at least the Netherlands, or is it Holland?). I plan to use a large gym style duffle bag, wheeled 'carry-on bag, or backpack (whichever fits best) and that 'Cargo Strap Mod'. It should hold 4-6 grocery bags. Plenty of stuff to buy on one trip.

If you are talking about the Venture One or 'Vhatever', I'm afraid that it will be YEARS before we are 'tilting' on one of those. With the 'delays', a California only release, a spread of dealerships cross country to the East Coast, then maybe selling rights in Europe.....a looooong wait.

[WarpedOne]

I thought it is obvious I meant Vouge :)

[TazmanianKoala]

The Vogue is already being imported to various countries in Europe (The Netherlands and Belgium for sure). So it should be possible to obtain this vehicle also elsewhere in Europe.

[Moorpark1]

Quote:
Rogwild - Why not, WarpedOne, if you are talking about the Vogue Scooter, it seems that these things have already been imported to Europe (at least the Netherlands, or is it Holland?). I plan to use a large gym style duffle bag, wheeled 'carry-on bag, or backpack (whichever fits best) and that 'Cargo Strap Mod'. It should hold 4-6 grocery bags. Plenty of stuff to buy on one trip.
This is an excellent suggestion for both vehicles. The Vouge passenger seat could be set on sliding rails and the Vhatever could have a rear folding seat-SUV style.

[rogwild]

Ian already stated (and I believe one of the early drawings showed it) that the Venture One rear seat would fold forward to allow easy loading of several grocery bags.

[Mike kZ]

Hey Derwin, don't know if it's too late, but on page 16, I said I'd take an orange one. Can I still get an orange one?

[Mike kZ]

Never mind, I'll just take a black one. I hope I'm included in the first round.

[Derwin]

Mike kZ,

Hello! I just got back from our fishing trip, and am now trying to get caught-up with the club forum.

If everybody that stated they wanted a VogueOne actually gets one, then I will not have anymore left, except a black model. I will be getting another container load of them in by mid August sometime, just in case you wanted to hold out for an orange model.

The new site is almost completely finished, and all those interested can order a VogueOne from there. It will be another day until it is completely up, though.

www.FlyTheRoadNow.com

Thanks.

Derwin

[Mike kZ]

Are you going to let us know before you order the second container? I want to let my wife try the black one I will get, to see if she likes it. If so, she now wants a purple one, not orange.

[Derwin]

I will be ordering a second container before we even get the first container in......most likely within the next 3 or so weeks. The website is being worked-on right now, and should be up and running by the end of the week. Anybody wanting to order a VogueOne can do so by going to that site. This includes those that are on the list for the first shipment.

I don't think purple will be a color option. The color options for now are:

SILVER. BLACK. BLUE. RED. ORANGE.

Derwin

[Moorpark1]

I will be ordering a second container before we even get the first container in......most likely within the next 3 or so weeks. The website is being worked-on right now, and should be up and running by the end of the week. Anybody wanting to order a VogueOne can do so by going to that site. This includes those that are on the list for the first shipment.

I don't think purple will be a color option. The color options for now are:

SILVER. BLACK. BLUE. RED. ORANGE.

Derwin

Derwin
Do I take it to mean that everyone needs to re-order thru the website?

:o

[Derwin]

Derwin
Do I take it to mean that everyone needs to re-order thru the website?

:o

Yes, sir. I have many people around town, and online stating that they want one, and would like to even get one from the first batch. I have commtments from enough people to secure the sale of the entire first shipment, but I need to get those commitments in the form of an actual order.

So, those that expressed interest in getting a VogueOne, please go to the website and actually PLACE AN ORDER. Please DO NOT place an order until contacing me personally FIRST. I want to make sure that you are amongst one of the people that I am counting as being in the first shipment. I know that I had commitments for 2 silvers and 1 black unit from people in this club. I'll let you know when the site is ready to place your actual order.

Thanks.

Derwin

[Mike kZ]

Derwin, this site has a purple one:
http://tandem.en.alibaba.com/product/50182372/50766476/SCOOTERS_GAS/_NEW_150cc_GAS_TRIKE_SCOOTER_EEC_EPA_DOT.html


One black one for me from the first order please.

[Derwin]

Derwin, this site has a purple one:
http://en.alibaba.com/product/50182372/50766476/SCOOTERS_GAS/_NEW_150cc_GAS_TRIKE_SCOOTER_EEC_EPA_DOT.html (http://tandem.en.alibaba.com/product/50182372/50766476/SCOOTERS_GAS/_NEW_150cc_GAS_TRIKE_SCOOTER_EEC_EPA_DOT.html)



They are simply a distributor for the company. I deal with companies through alibaba.com all the time. It's a great way to find products to import, but it is also a place where you have to KNOW who you are dealing with!

I am personally dealing with the manufacturer of these machines directly. There is no middle man. I thought the decision to only offer 5 colors was a prudent one because we can only hold so many in a container, and the most popular colors are pretty much covered in black, blue, silver, red, and orange.


One black one for me from the first order please.

Ok. I now have 3 spoken for from members of this club. Rogwild, moorepark, and Mike kz. Those orders, along with other local orders, pretty much makes the first shipment sold-out.

When the new site is up, I need you guys to place an actual order to secure your unit. Then those of you who want to order one from the second shipment may do so also.

Derwin

[Derwin]

Hello! I just had a buyer back out of a purchase. I had 2 vehicles reserved....a BLACK and a PURPLE VogueOne. If anybody is interested in getting one of these, please go to the website:

www.FlyTheRoadNow.com (http://www.flytheroadnow.com)

Go to that website and place your order. They are being offered for the low price of only $2995 plus shipping. This price is only good NOW. The price for the VogueOne will be going up to $3995 when they actually arrive at the BAT warehouse in Chicago.

Thanks.

Derwin

[Victoly]

You still have some lorem ipsum left behind in your gallery page, and some generic links from the template. Also, there's no price listed on the ordering page, so unless people are coming from this forum, they might be at a loss. :) Man, it's pretty tempting. I'm in the market for a scooter.

[Derwin]

Victola,

The VogueOne site is not yet completed. That's why your seeing unfinished pages. As for the price, it's listed right on the top of the order page. It has a check box, and then states: "YES! I wish to order a VogueOne for only $2995."

This scooter is really unique. I should have the site completed soon. Thanks for visiting it.

Derwin

[rogwild]

Here's another 'vehicle' for Derwin:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/science/29jetpack.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[Derwin]

Funny you should post that, rog. I just seen this on the news the other day. The company is actually taking orders for this NOW at their website. It only costs a mere $100,000!

I was actually interviewed by a reporter for the New York Times back in 2000. They were doing a story about the Rocket-Belt/Jet Pack, and knew that I was involved in that back in the 1990's. You can see the article here:

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20000611mag-phenomenon.html

I don't get mentioned until the 8th paragraph down, but I think they did a very good article. I still have a fascination with this technology!

Derwin

[Jack Willard]

Yes, I saw an article a couple of days ago on a new one with two turbofans. Pretty cool looking and yes about $100,000 for a REAL SHORT RIDE!

Naw, I'll wait for the Jetson car! ypslj:kes;7(

But I'll settle for a VentureOne until it comes out. sc:oo:t:e:r4

[Miracleman89]

I can see Big D taking that to the local golfing facility! LOL Hey Derwin watch out for those guys teeing off!

[rogwild]

Here's another 'tilter'; only ONE person, but they do have a RUNNING PROTOTYPE!!!
Come on Vv.......Git er DONE!
http://www.armec.com/city/city2_g.jpg

http://www.armec.com/city/cm.html

Hey, Derwin, perhaps a 'future' vehicle for BMC?

[Derwin]

WOW! You gotta be kidding me! That vehicle is simply awesome. I LOVE IT! If they ever get that into production, I would DEFINATELY be interested in adding it to my "line" of products at BMC.

Very cool find, rog! con:gra:ts1

Derwin

[RAN]

Nice find Rog! I can tell they're not in the south.... "Always comfortable through
fully vented cabin for summer and a heater for Winter". Gotta find room for an a/c :-{)]

Keeping an eye on this one...

[MVRacing]

Hey, that is cute! Wonder what top speed is?

[Derwin]

Hey, RAN, I think the "tilting" aspects of that thing is the BEST part of it! That, and the fact that it may be made into a hybrid or all EV. Do you think that we'll be seeing MORE of these types of vehicles coming out in the "near" future? If we do, than I think Venture Vehicles certainly better get going, or they'll be left in the dust.

Derwin

[RAN]

I think that there's definitely a market for a small, tilting 1-2 passenger vehicle like this.
Whoever brings a good one to market 1st will of course have the advantage. Once people are exposed to them, the market could grow rapidly.

[TazmanianKoala]

Hey Rog
That sure is a nice vehicle.
Seems to me that it is front wheel driven, with some luggage space in the back.
http://www.armec.com/city/city4_g.jpg
It looks like a nice concept and it sure would fulfill my daily transportation needs. But I wonder how it would handle with that front wheel drive. To my knowledge there are very few front wheel driven scooters. du:n:n:o(

[rogwild]

One of the 'drawbacks' with this vehicle, is that it does not have any 'active' control system (just driver weight shift), which might be OK for experienced Bike riders, but a possible problem for new drivers. But worth watching.

[MVRacing]

One of the 'drawbacks' with this vehicle, is that it does not have any 'active' control system (just driver weight shift), which might be OK for experienced Bike riders, but a possible problem for new drivers. But worth watching.

Hi rogwild,
I've been all over that site and couldn't find any other info. How did you find out that it is just driver weight shift? I've been searching the net for any other info on it, and come up dry. Only thing I've got is that their N.American office has a Newark NJ phone number.
Anyone else find anything more?

[MVRacing]

I like the pivot seat =y:

[rogwild]

Hi rogwild,
I've been all over that site and couldn't find any other info. How did you find out that it is just driver weight shift? I've been searching the net for any other info on it, and come up dry. Only thing I've got is that their N.American office has a Newark NJ phone number.
Anyone else find anything more?

Got the 'opinion' from a member of the Yahoo Groups "Cabinscooters":

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/cabinscooters/

"Armec is kinda secretive about their design details, and won't share it with people who aren't willing to pony up Big Bux to have a look. Kinda makes them look like capitalists...
However the patents are viewable online. The tilt mechanism isn't included.
From what I've been able to determine, it's probably a "free tilter" (operator provides wetware and biometrics- brain and hands- to operate tilt and balance, and probably a tilt lock engages when it's stopped or moving slow. An automatic tilt lock would be cool, but I suspect it's manually operated to keep it cheap.
The Armec design is FWD, which solves more problems than it creates. That 150cc scooter engine bobbing up and down has got to have those obsessed with "unsprung weight" cringing..."

[Miracleman89]

Maybe I missed it but what was the estimated price??? did anyone see?

[MVRacing]

Maybe I missed it but what was the estimated price??? did anyone see?

No details at all & no price, just that single page on their web site.

[RAN]

I don't see how FWD "solves more problems than it creates."

[Miracleman89]

Hey Big D have you tried to contact them yet to see about dealer opportunities???

[rogwild]

Here is an article on an 'older' CONCEPT (last fall); maybe we might see a vehicle with Piaggio's Hybrid drive (150mpg+) in the future.
http://www.worldlingo.com/wl/services/S1790.5/translate?wl_srclang=it&wl_trglang=en&wl_rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberscooter.it%2Fmodelli %2Fprototipi%2Flettori%2Ffiatpendolino_mb.htm&wl_url=http%3A%2F%2Ffiatpendolino400.blogspot.com% 2F

http://www.autobloggreen.com/tag/enclosed%20scooter/

[RAN]

That thing looks awfully top-heavy.

[rogwild]

Hey RAN, any more than this?http://www.beepworld.de/memberdateien/members/palmo-mobil-performance/Bilder/details-15.jpgdu:n:n:o(

[RAN]

At least the Vogue's rear wheels appear to be a little farther apart, and there's not the degree of overhang as there is in the back of the other one.

[Derwin]

Been busy at the other forum lately. I just took my vehicle out today around town. Had to make a stop at McD's!

http://www.flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=710&stc=1&d=1218479919

I know everybody is NOT into this vehicle, but I just thought I would post this over here since it came up in a previous post. I had the thing up over 50mph today. I must admit....it's a really fun thing to ride around town!

Derwin

[RAN]

Thanks for posting it here Derwin! Looks like I need to pop over to the other site :-{)]

[TazmanianKoala]

The other site is just as much fun as this site. But there is one difference: That vehicle really moves.cool:thu:mb1

[rogwild]

How about this one?
http://www.tonyfoale.com/gallery/Trike/images/Micro2_jpg.jpg
http://www.tonyfoale.com/gallery/Trike/images/Micro1_jpg.jpg
Couldn't find any other info. Wonder what happened to it.

[sonofaglitch]

Hey guys sorry to bump an old thread, but information on the vogue is scarce. I need to get mine fixed, the bad thing, I am a computer guy who lacks mechanical knowledge, I am also too broke to take this thing to a cycle shop. I had my buddy fix this thing for me a week ago, but when I took it out a couple of days ago all my power just dropped out from me. Now it doesn't seem to be getting any gas, I am not sure what the problem is. To make matters worse, the mechanism that "locks" the carriage from tipping (kickstand replacement) doesn't seem to want to even engage now. I have my work cut out for me. I hope I can pick someones brain to get this trike back on the road again.

[Derwin]

Hey guys sorry to bump an old thread, but information on the vogue is scarce.

Not many in this club will be able to help you, but there is a forum that I created almost 2 years ago that is dedicated to this scooter, and I'm sure there are many people over there that would be more than happy to help you.....

Just go to www.ThreeWheelFun.com/modules/Jig/index.php

Hope this help you out.

By the way, Welcome to the club! wel;co;m;e101))

Derwin