ok, so I still miss the canard wings!

[Miracleman89]

I can't help it I like the look with the canard wins!

[Derwin]

I like them also. Isn't that still the design direction that they are going in? Has something changed? I sure hope not. I really like the design exactly as shown in that picture!

Derwin

[rogwild]

MM89, no problem; should be a relatively easy 'mod' to do with the plastic panels. You can even add EL position lights, or mini video camera, etc.

Then you can really have a 'One-of-a-Kind' machine.

Derwin; 'canards' are the FORWARD 'wings', in front of the driver's door; not the rear 'wings' that are still part of the "D" design.

[Derwin]

Derwin; 'canards' are the FORWARD 'wings', in front of the driver's door; not the rear 'wings' that are still part of the "D" design.

Oooop! :o O.K. Now I see them! Yeah, I agree....I like that look.

Derwin

[Miracleman89]

I just think it looks cooler with canard wings! I hope this is an option at the least!

[Jack Willard]

First of all, let me say that I like canard wings too. I had them on my Pterodactyl Ascender ultralight aircraft back in the 80's. Without them it would not have flown right. Weight-shifting really stunk, which is why I built the plane.

But why would you want them on a VentureOne? Just as a style looking thing in the front? Or are you thinking about sticking your feet out the sides to use them like cruising foot rests on a motorcycle? =n:

I cannot see that there is some actual need to hold the front-end down to the road at speed aerodynamically. Weight and the current body shape will already do that.

Thinking about the canard idea as a style thing though does have some draw. Although they would have to be quite short for that.

Now if one were to reshape the side mirrors to be integrated into shapes resembling a canard wing, THAT would be both stylish and functional. And, it would sure add to the aircraft feel. Think of a canard shape right where that ugly orange stripe is.

[Miracleman89]

Jack- I just like the look of the V1 better with the Canard wings! They would strictly be for aesthetic purposes only. When I added the canard to the image above I stole it from a previous concept. (see below) To me the addition of the canard wings really gives the V1 a look that says "fly the road"!

[Gary]

Jack- I just like the look of the V1 better with the Canard wings! They would strictly be for aesthetic purposes only. When I added the canard to the image above I stole it from a previous concept. (see below) To me the addition of the canard wings really gives the V1 a look that says "fly the road"!
+1 to what MM89 said!

And.... quite frankly, I don't find the "orange stripe" (or however one might like to label it) unattractive whatsoever. But... where one to desire a totally solid color scheme.... I can see how the flash of orange would be less than desireable. ;)

[Miracleman89]

the orange strip is actually a turn signal! personally I would prefer they go with a clear lens and a colored bulb. Of course that's just my opinion I could be wrong!

[miraclewoman89]

One of the things I really liked about the design was the canard wings. I really hope they make it an option. If it isn't an option I would love to be able to have them put on as an after-market part.

[Jack Willard]

I kind of thought that the orange stripe might be a turn signal. If there were "sort of" canard wings and the mirrors located where the stripe is, the turn signal function could easily be incorporated as well.

I like that location for canard wings because I have seen a very similar relationship to actual wings on a production small jet. It looked very well.

[tugboatwilly]

I have been away from the forum for a while. Did someone do a F-111 swing wing drawing yet with the fake after burner?

[Miracleman89]

I have been away from the forum for a while. Did someone do a F-111 swing wing drawing yet with the fake after burner?


Not yet but give me time! lmao

[Jack Willard]

Here is sort of what I had in mind. Then mold the mirror into the end, turn it up to match the orange stripe turnsignal location and incorporate the turnsignal into it at the front side of the mirror. Wadda ya think?

[Miracleman89]

Here is sort of what I had in mind. Then mold the mirror into the end, turn it up to match the orange stripe turnsignal location and incorporate the turnsignal into it at the front side of the mirror. Wadda ya think?


Not sure if I would want them quite that big! Remember it will tilt to a 45 degree angle! although setting it up so that you have some sort of skid plate that would hit and create sparks when you reached maximum tilt would be kinda cool!

[Jack Willard]

Try this on for size. I worked up a canard design with the mirror built into it. It extends out to the same width as the power pod. The only problem I see is that the door would only be able to open 90 degrees. Otherwise it looks pretty cool! cool:thu:mb1

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=661&stc=1&d=1217531340

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=662&stc=1&d=1217531662

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=666&stc=1&d=1217532182

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=663&stc=1&d=1217531350

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=664&stc=1&d=1217531350

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=665&stc=1&d=1217531350

[JoeU]

Most "car" doors don't open that far anyway.=D

[johnhead]

Jack, Canard looks Cool!
Keep up the great ideas.
Regards
John

[cpaddock]

Howzit Jack! I like your canard/mirror design! Mirrors are placed farther outboard than
door-mounted ones and this compensates for them being more forward. Now if you just
radius that leading edge and implant a row of LED sequenced turnsignal lights you would have the complete package! Probably would be more visible from the front than the
"yellow tusk". Nice work!
Curves Ahead!

[Jack Willard]

Thanks. Yes, the mirrors need to be farther out to the side to get a decent rear view as you can see. It looks like the mirrors currently planned, that are attached to the front of the door, do not stick out far enough to see well. Plus, having them out at the same width as the power pod would give you a much better sense of how wide the vehicle is and exactly how much clearance there is from vehicles and/or guardrails to the side.

Yes, I was also thinking of having the whole leading edge of the canard wing be a built-in orange turn signal. Frankly, I don't really like the looks of those "tusk" ones on the side now.

Also, not that the vehicle necessarily needs it, but the canard wings would also cause a certain amount of hold-down force on the front end at speed which would enhance the front wheel traction.

Not to mention that the whole idea of canard wings totally adds to that aircraft cockpit feel and look of the vehicle. It is certainly one of the things about the VentureOne that draws me to it.

I built and piloted a canard winged ultralight aircraft (Pterodactyl Ascender) back in the early 1980's and had some great fun with it. Banking into the turns and feeling the force pushing you down into your seat will be quite similar in the VentureOne.

[Miracleman89]

I don't know man! For me they look to long and distracting! I don't really care for them that big! I like the original design with the smaller version!

[MVRacing]

IMHO it looks almost as bad as those after market mirrors they stuck on the foam mock up. Sorry du:n:n:o(

Could make for a nice after market business for you.

[Jack Willard]

You wanted canards. I modeled you some canards to play around with in your head while we are all sitting around waiting. I don't care one way or the other.

One thing beneficial has come out of the process. I can tell you that the shorter mirrors they have on now are NOT going to provide a view straight back. And I haven't seen anything about a regular rear view mirror being provided. Actually, it looks like the only decent way to get a clear view of the rear would be with a built-in camera. We'll have to wait and see what they come up with in the production model.

[Derwin]

Jack, I think your canard wing design was incredibly creative, and keeps with the entire "flight" theme of the vehicle. As far as them being out too far, I don't know. I would like to see what is REALLY needed in order to get a good view.

Now just strap a jet engine on the back, and it looks like that thing can leave the ground! thu:mbs:up:22

Derwin

[cpaddock]

The mirrors as shown on the current V1 design sure seem to have a major blind spot right where you need it the most. A unit something like this could
solve the problem....its from Crutchfield, has a 6 inch color monitor which
clips on to your rear view mirror, or in the case of the V1, any place you
can find to put it.....camera is in wireless transmitter unit attached to rear
licence plate. It is a mirror when not in use and can play videos....

[RAN]

It is a mirror when not in use and can play videos....

Ain't technology grand????? dr:ive1)

[johnhead]

Jack,
I too like your Canard RV mirrors as stated in my latest Cardboard post.
My $.02
John

[Pueo711]

I rather like the canard wing design that Jack posted, though I'd like to see a more "delta" shape to the canards (like the ones on the Eurofighter). Nice work Jack!

Addendum: Woo-hoo! My first post in the forum!

[Jack Willard]

Thanks Pueo711 and wel;co;m;e101))

I hear what you're saying about the delta shape. It's only the "idea" of a canard wing that I was trying to get across. I was trying to keep it as small as possible.

Even so, MM89 thinks it's too big, preferring the smaller ones that aren't long enough to give you a view straight back.

cpaddock also liked the idea of having the turn signal built-in. So... here it is:

http://flytheroadclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=707&stc=1&d=1218113204

[cpaddock]

Howzit Jack! Your canards are looking good! If I had the 'puter skills I'd make 'em a little
more swept/delta and foiled....

[rogwild]

'cpaddock'; foiled as in 'downforce' right, NOT 'lift'. Probably won't help the MPG, but might aid traction a 'bit'.

[cpaddock]

Rogwild, Right! I was thinking neutral as in a sailboat rudder, or inverted as in personal submersibles which fly down rather than sink with water ballast. At 100 MPH I imagine
the added road holding effect would be significant, and welcome!