Dagne or V1?

[meckman1]

Which vehicle are you most intrigued by? Why do you prefer one to the other?

[AZEqualizer]

I'm not much impressed by a tadpole design ... I think they are inherently ugly. I like the view and design of the proposed V1 much better. I also believe that though the DAGNE has good goals they won't stand up to the real world ... they are at the stage that VV was when they started the FTR site... which in the long run will make it even less desirable to me.

So if both were the same stats and same cost ... V1 has my vote. If things went way out of wack... I would consider either one but I have always wanted a vehicle like the V1 ... Never had dreamed about a tadpole.

[Derwin]

When I first seen the Dagne, I really liked it, and I still do. If the 2 of them were sitting side by side at a dealership, and I could choose between the two of them, I would definitely go with the V1, though. I like the LOOKS of the V1 a lot better, and I really would prefer one wheel up front as opposed to the tadpole design.

But, hey, they would both be an incredible vehicle to own, and I wouldn't mind to have either one in my driveway.

Derwin

[ziggy951]

There really are vast differences in the two and I will probably buy both, permitting they both make it to market and there are no other substitutes. But they will fill different roles in my life. The Dagne will probably be the commuter whereas the V1 will be the weekender, provided its performance merits it.

Dange:
I LOVE the all wheel design.
I love the performance specs.
I like the stick but dont know about its every day usage.
I like the front wheel drive coupled with two wheels.
I like the fact that you can balance braking between two front wheels rather than two.
I love the series hybrid system design.
I Hate the looks of the computer designs I have seen and I wont buy one without body panels.

V1
I love the looks.
I love the initial specs.
I like that they are further along than the Dagne.
I like the better aerodynamic design.
I hate the possible parallel system.



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[westonlgray]

I agree with AZE above. The true features of the Dagne will probably be one single motor driving the rear wheels and a battery about half the size of their predictions. I also have concerns about the reflex conditioning I have applying to the joystick instead of a steering wheel and brake pedal.

Plus, how am I supposed to eat my fast food if I can't take both hands off the wheel for a few seconds?

The V1 definitely looks better and it appears more stable should you loose traction in a turn, but I guess we will have to wait for some real world tests to confirm that.

[Derwin]

o:o:p:s12 I forgot about the joystick aspect of steering the Dagne. Although that alone would not disqualify it as being something that I would buy, it sure would make me hesitate. I would think that steering with that would take a bit getting used to.

Derwin

[Jack Willard]

The 1+2 design of the V1 and the aircraft cockpit feel draws me no end. That whole 2+1 layout just doesn't feel right. Looks are a major factor to me.

Three wheel drive with the electric motors built into the wheels sure makes sense. Although I could see that being difficult on the V1 perhaps.

Serial hybrid still seems like the better choice from my perspective. VV must have some valid reason to now be headed towards parallel, but it escapes me. Major change away from their own "vision".

I do not know enough about how the Dagne tilting is being handled to say one way or the other. It appears to be mechanical only and I would have to try it. The V1 tilting technology seems better to me at this point. I remember seeing that Harley was developing a tilting open trike design as well, so there probably is something to the mechanical method.

I will not buy into the joystick control on the Dagne though. I'm not going there. Fine on an aircraft. I used to have an aircraft with joystick control. But not on a land vehicle. That's a deal breaker.

There are going to be more players in this new 3 wheel vehicle category and I think that Honda will be one of them. They won't be leading the pack though. Honda is a follower not a leader for the most part. Too bad. I'm a big Honda fan. My bike and my car are both Honda.

[beeson]

As originally laid out, I prefer the V1. I really like the motorcycle feel the V1 has. And I really like the fact that the V1 will take car like tires in the rear. They last a LOT longer and thus costs a lot less.

I really like the 3 WD of the Dagne. We have unpredictable snow and ice here in Central Oregon. The all wheel drive could be nice.

However, all bets are off as these vehicles get modified and drive trains change. So I'm not sure which one will be my preference when they finally get to market.

[PHEVadvocate]

The hybrid preformace will be a major factor for me. How VV implements the parallel system concerns me. A parallel hybrid is a safe conservative step into the hybrid market. One of the major reasons to choose the parallel design is to improve the up-time of the vehicle. If the drive electronics or the battery system fails, you can still move the car on the engine alone.

You can also use less expensive motors and power electronics in a parallel hybrid system. You can also built a cheap "token" hybrid using a parallel hybrid system like the Saturn VUE Greenline (BAS system). :o

I would much rater have the off the line preformace of a Tesla Roadster and the great efficency of a Plug-in Series Hybrid, than a Token Parallel Hybrid. :burning:rubber:

[meckman1]

Wow! You guys make some great points. It's possible that both vehicles could go through quite a few changes between now and their release. I'm really starting to wonder if they will make the joystick an option instead of standard. I also didn't realize how strongly some folks feel about the tadpole design. These are all things worth considering.dr:ive1)

[Charles]

I can see potential problems with both wheel arrangements.

VV, A single wheel in the front will likely skid while cornering. However the rear wheel steering and rear wheel power will help.
Dagne, A single driven rear wheel will likely skid in cornering. However, the two driven front wheels will help.

From my limited experience front wheel driven cars are much more stable in rain and ice and I would have to lean (no pun intended) towards the Dagne, if it really hits production with three wheel drive.

As to the styling I've always had a problem with the front suspension on the VV. It is not symmetrical!! They always show pictures of the left side which obviously omit the suspension arm which is ugly. Again, having said that the concept rear end of the Dagne isn't exactly up to Kylie Minogue standard either!!!

The Dagne just looks like it is a real 1+1 rather than a 1+1/2 of the VV. Give me a Dagne.

[timo2112]

I think that i'll buy the Dagne also.... I really like the 3 motor system, and two up front
seems better for me... and I like the joystick !

[beeson]

I really hope Dagne is able to come up with the 3 WD. That would mean the drive motors are electric and no transmission is involved. This would make me a lean in their court. If the Dagne becomes a rear wheel drive there is going to be a problem. One motorcycle wheel driving a vehicle that is much heavier than even a Goldwing. It's going to eat rear tires in that scenario.

The V1 with the conventional rear wheels might even allow me to put studded tires on the rear in winter.

I'm mixed on the joystick thing. I think it would be a blast to learn how to drive, but I think in the long run I would prefer a steering wheel for everyday use and especially for any long trips.

[Hoosier]

Living in Indiana as I do, I've never considered the V1 as a 12 month vehicle. 7-8 months maybe. I have a Jeep for the winter months.

Agree with others, the joystick really doesn't entice me. A joystick in, say, a Hummer wouldn't deter me. But it would in any vehicle that would wedge nicely under an 18 wheeler. :confused: Maybe after they've become ordinary in cars.